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- From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
- Subject: Re: NT Destined to Succeed??
- Message-ID: <1993Jan3.205457.17495@wam.umd.edu>
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- Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 20:54:57 GMT
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- In article <19189@mindlink.bc.ca> Ian_Upright@mindlink.bc.ca (Ian Upright) writes:
- >At times I didn't, and with all of NT's supposed capability, and Microsoft's
- >marketing, I thought it could actually be a success.. NOT!
-
-
- That has to be the most irritating trendoid addition to the
- English language.
-
- [I'm referring to the ...NOT!.. In any case, pre-apologies for
- spacing and "c" dropouts--my keyboard is breaking, slowly]
-
-
- >Here's why:
- >Why do so called UNIX OS's (in our terms) fail? Because lack of a user
- >base..
-
-
- Because UNIX, until NeXTStep, was impossible for the
- average user to install, setup and maintain. Because until
- recently, only a miniscule number of users had the equipment
- to run UNIX with any kindof real performance. Because, until
- recently, UNIX was extremely expensive and mostly text-ugly
- in terms of interface. Finally, UNIX has/had very few
- end user apps, and none of these are shrinkwrapped and sold
- at the local software store.
-
-
-
- >And because the user base is so low, the prices must be higher.
-
-
- The price of UNIX is high for a number of reasons.
-
- Many of the licensing costs do not apply to Windows NT.
-
-
-
- >Windows NT will not be affordable by most people.. (especially due to
- >hardware requirements as well, but the software price is a big difference
- >too..
-
-
- The hardware requirements for NT do not appear to be that
- much different from those for OS/2. There is, simply, a
- different bottom line. Many OS/2 users have nice, fast
- 16 meg systems and harddisk storage for most users who
- NT/OS2 are targeted at is plentiful.
-
-
-
- >Businesses today aren't willing to invest big bucks into software
- >anymore. They now know things are changing, and getting better.. Why
- >spend a grand on software, when in 3 years something better and cheaper
- >comes out... We see the market taking aim to $99 software packages now..
- >Software *is* getting cheaper.. )
-
-
- I'm not sure how any ofthe above applies to NT. NS486 will
- likely price itself out of any kind of mass userbase, but NT
- WILL cost below $500. SRP. If you use other MS products
- as measuring rods, this means NT will probably sell for
- somewhere between $250 and $350, with substantial discounts
- for upgrades. How many people paid $150 for OS/2?
-
- (Or $350 for MSWord). MS is not stupid about marketing.
-
-
-
- >Windows NT will not be compatable, and will even have worse compatabilities
- >than OS/2, thus driving the NT user base down even more..
-
-
- Capability-wise, NT is equal to or greater than OS/2. It offers
- things that OS/2 only offers when given some costly networking
- upgrade. Most users don't need this stuff, though, so OS/2
- probably offers more bang for the buck.
-
- It also offers more bang for the buck in terms of performance,
- but OS/2 is hardly more solid than the NT beta. (recent fud
- to the contrary inthis base on an obviously misconfigured
- machine, ignored). If mission-critical is the goal, then
- NT or UNIX (preferably UNIX) are clearly superior to OS/2.
-
- Compatibility-wise, NT can't touch OS/2. It's a matter of
- system integrity.
-
-
- >There is a lot of anti-Microsoft love/hate relationships going around with
- >Microsoft. People are starting to see Microsoft as a company that looks
- >out only for itself, and not for it's users..
-
-
- Rather, not for it's competitors.
-
-
-
- >There is a LOT of
- >anti-windows feelings out there.. Many people hate windows, but only use
- >it because there really wasn't a better alternative..
-
-
- Many, many more people thing Win3.1 is the greatest thing
- sinced sliced bread and color television. The can actually
- *use* their computer now, without havinhg to keep little
- crib-notes on things like how to change directories, delete
- or copy files, and so on.
-
- The number of windows lovers, even to the greatest anti-MS
- fanatic, clearly overwhelms thesmall number of Windows
- haters, who are mostly using something other than Windows
- anyway.
-
-
-
- > Now there is..
- >Thus driving the Windows and the NT user base down even more..
-
-
- I don't think so. Win3.1 sells because it fills the
- needs of the user. Very few users have needs that OS/2
- fills that Win31 doesn't. Most don't need anything more than
- primitive Windows-app multitasking and the ability to run Windows
- programs (or, switch briefly to a DOS ap).
-
-
- >There is a lot of OS/2 advocacy out there.. If someone turned all those
- >OS/2 advocacy quotes into bumper stickers, I'm sure they'd sell pretty
- >fast.. Thus driving the NT user base down even more..
-
-
- There's a lot of Amiga advocacy, too. As a principle,
- the smaller the minority, the more vociferous.
-
-
- >Software developers in general, allready have more acceptance for OS/2 now
- >than they do NT.. It may have been different in the past, but I think if
-
-
- Nonsense. NT support announcements and demoed apps far outweigh
- the non-vertical OS/2 population.
-
-
-
- >A lot of good tools are coming out, or are out for OS/2 ( Digitalk,
- >one of the leaders of Object Oriented programming has beefed up it's
- >Smalltalk V product, and it is apparently fairly fast & efficient, as well
- >as adding on other OS/2 specific development aids that aren't even available
- >for any other platform!..) The editor of Compuer Language even promotes
-
-
- NEXT.
-
-
- >OS/2, and thinks it's the way of the future.. Recently, in a review of
- >cross-platform development tools, many of the examples provided were
- >snapshots of OS/2 screens of course.. Thats the OS that all the developers
- >are seeking to develop for.. Thus driving the *software* base of NT down
- >even more, thus driving the NT user base down even more..
-
-
- All of this, of course, goes against easily observable evidence.
-
-
- >OS/2 has a 4 million user base, and there aren't really many native apps
- >yet! 4 million people are looking into the future, sitting waiting for
- >the native apps!
-
- OS/2 sold 2 million morecopies since November?
-
-
- > Once native apps hit the market, and driver support gets
- >better, watch that number double or tripple very fast..
-
-
-
- I've heard this one for the last 12 months. I still don't
- have a decent driver for my ATI or Diamond cards, and the
- much-hyped "seamless windows" doesn't work with post-SP
- 8514/a's.
-
-
-
-
-
- > Windows user base
- >isn't really going down, it's changing to OS/2.. Especially seeing as
- >the hardware requirements are close to the same.. Except for hard drive
- >space... Oh, and haven't you heard? 40 meg hard drives are selling like
- >hot-cakes! ;-) People are just itching to put Dos, Win 3.1, and
- >one Microsoft app on thier hard drive..
-
-
- Tha majority of users that *could* run OS/2 have 2-4 meg systems
- and a 40 to 60 megabyte HD. For them, the upgrade to OS/2 is not
- much less than the upgrade to NT would be.
-
- And they have no real interest in either. Win31 and DOs
- do their jobs fine,and if they're shorton space, something
- like stacker helps that.
-
-
-
- >The hard and the truth of it is: With all these people *NOT* using NT,
- >the software prices are going to be very high... Thus driving the user
- >base even lower, thus driving the prices higher.. You get the picture?
-
-
- Nope. Example: OS/2 has a small user base. Why isn't the price higher?
-
-
- >*PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO BE USING NT FOR A DESKTOP PLATFORM IN THE FUTURE*
-
-
- People aren't going to be using OS/2, either. They are, for
- the most part, going to continue to use Win31 and DOS.
-
-
- >Server platform maybe.. Shitty ugly looking high-end workstation *MAYBE*..
- >Where's it headed? Where is it's TARGET MARKET? I don't even think
- >Microsoft knows.. Personally, I think NeXTstep's got a better chance..
-
-
- NeXTStep is going to price itself into developer oblivion. It's
- no mystery why the most up-to-date version of Improv is a Windows
- app and not a NeXT one (although, the NeXT version may recently
- have been updated).
-
- [delve into the dark reaches of madness deleted]
-
-
- --
- Blaming "society" for your problems is like blaming clouds for rain.
- --- boycott == censorship == closed mindedness == cowardice ---
- "Psalms 23:1 The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want."
- Shepherds are for sheep. ----- Pain teaches.
-