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- From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
- Subject: Re: ftc and ms
- Message-ID: <1992Dec31.173657.28875@mksol.dseg.ti.com>
- Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
- References: <1992Dec21.233102.14676@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu> <1992Dec22.060128.26352@nosc.mil> <wiegand.725663043@lido16> <1992Dec31.025922.23254@nosc.mil>
- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:36:57 GMT
- Lines: 49
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- In <1992Dec31.025922.23254@nosc.mil> discar@nosc.mil (Joe Discar) writes:
-
- >In article <wiegand.725663043@lido16> motcid!wiegand@uunet.uu.net writes:
- >>discar@nosc.mil (Joe Discar) writes:
- >>
- >>>WRONG! I can't believe that people actually post such inane ideas.
- >>>The agreement is like: if Joe's Clone shop ships 1000 boxes a month, Joe could
- >>>ship 'em with 1000 copies of MS-DOS for $8, or he could choose NOT to
- >>>abide by the agreement and purchase MS-DOS for $24 apiece.
- >>
- >>And Joe Clone would go out of business. With the small mark-up on PC clones
- >>they can't just add $16 to their cost. To stay price competitive with
- >>the other clone makers they *have to* accept the $8 offer. It sounds like
- >>they have a choice, but the only real choice is to go out of business.
- >>
- >>Thats the reality of the situation and Microsoft knows it. No one in
- >>their right mind would agree to Microsoft's terms if they had any real
- >>choice. A coice between doing it Microsoft's way or going out of business
- >>isn't much of a choice.
-
- >Ahhhh. But what the anti-agreement people are saying is that they DON'T want
- >MS-DOS installed. If the MAJORITY of people thought that way, then Joe
- >Vendor doesn't have to buy into the agreement--and sell his systems for
- >eight bucks cheaper than his competitors. The problem is, that the MAJORITY
- >of people WANT MS-DOS and Windows... which gives Microsoft the leverage it
- >needs to "sell" their package with every computer.
-
- So in other words, if we change the word 'force' to 'leverage' and the
- ability to apply that force is 'granted' by the market, that somehow
- makes it ok? Joe, this is EXACTLY why we have outfits like the FTC;
- it's NOT ok. It is called 'predatory behaviour' and is generally
- regarded to be a violation of anti-monopoly laws.
-
- >Mind you, they cannot "force" a user to use MS-DOS and Windows; it is
- >physically impossible to do so.
-
- Right. They can only place the person selling the computer to the
- user into a position where his choices are either pay MS a royalty for
- every machine shipped (whether it has MS-DOS/Windows on it or not) or
- go out of business.
-
- Can you say 'artificial barrier to entry created through predatory
- practices'?
-
- --
- "Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
- in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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