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- From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
- Subject: Re: FCC will proclaim Microsoft is run by Communists! :)
- Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 05:01:02 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Dec29.050102.29262@actrix.gen.nz>
- References: <1992Dec22.120639.23608@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> <1992Dec23.091821.7707@actrix.gen.nz> <1992Dec28.232207.1612@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
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- In article <1992Dec28.232207.1612@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> helz@ecn.purdue.edu (Randall A Helzerman) writes:
- > In article <1992Dec23.091821.7707@actrix.gen.nz>, Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
- > |> Standard Oil (You know, J D Rockefeller) was broken up because it bacame an
- > |> effective monopoly. IBM was very nearly broken up. There are numerous
- > |> instances of too-powerful companies being forced to relinquish control over
- > |> markets.
- >
- > BZZZZZT!!!! Thanks for playing.
- > Standard Oil at its height was _never_ a monopoly.
-
- I have just deleted a long discourse on this and will substitute it with the
- following.
-
- Standard Oil got too big and too powerful. It represented a danger to both
- it's competitors and to the government because of this wealth and power. I
- have seen figures here quoting Standard Oil at 90% in 1890 and 66% in 1911 or
- 1921.....these figures do not show that the market for oil in that time had
- exploded exponentially and that the accompanying wealth and power conferred on
- a company controlling more than half this market caused many people to worry.
-
- Quite properly, too. Such power *will* be abused. It is just a matter of time.
-
- So they broke it up.
-
- Microsoft dominates an important part of what might be termed a strategic
- industry. This makes
- every shake of their tail intensely interesting to people who feel threatened
- by the power this position represents.
-
- > Please try again: Can you name a real, genuine, monopoly in _any_ country
- > at _any_ time (before or after antitrust legislation or in a country without
- > antitrust legislation) that wasn't created by a government? You can't
- > do it because there never has been such a beast.
-
- I'll agree with you. There have been no "classic" monopolies other than those
- created by governments.......or copyright.
-
- > Markets which the goverment stays out of are very harsh on monopolies.
-
- In a similar vein to your challenge......show me a market that governments
- stay out of......I don't think there have been too many of those, either.
-
- The truth is....and this is more or less what I have been arguing all
- along....modern business is a mixtrue of business activity against a
- regulatory background.....
-
- The difference between us appears to be that i accept this regulatory
- background as necessary while you find it repugnant. In the particular case of
- MS, I am satisfied that they have acheived - by fair means or foul - a market
- position that will allow them to dominate the small computing industry (for
- all practical purposes).
-
- I don't think this is healthy. It may be perfectly legal and what a good job
- they have done! But this concentration of market power itself represents a
- potential to pervert and subvert the market. On this basis, the normal
- practice is to fragment the organisation.
-
- Like playing cards. One hand is dealt, played....then the cards are shuffled
- and re-dealt. This produces new diversity and new growth and prevents stasis
- and deterioration.
-
- Fair? I don't know....but it seems to work.
-
- Steve
-
-
- --
- Steve Withers - Wellington, New Zealand | On Sept. 19th, 88% of NZ voters opted
- Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz | for proportional representation. It
- +64 4 478 4714 | looks like we may get a more
- **** Happy user of OS/2 v2!! **** | democratic system "real soon now".
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