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- From: Kurt.Westerfeld@f347.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Kurt Westerfeld)
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- Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
- Subject: OS/2 bigot meets NT....
- Message-ID: <725529611.AA00000@blkcat.UUCP>
- Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 23:29:04 -0500
- Lines: 75
-
- On Saturday, 12-25-92, Robert Suh wrote to All
- concerning "OS/2 bigot meets NT....:"
- RS> >run NT. Just trust me, NT doesn't offer ANYTHING to a user that OS/2
- doesn't.
- RS>
- RS> Well, I can name lots of reasons...
- RS>
- RS> 1) C2 Security - I know lots of places that Security of data on the PC or
-
- Well, NT doesn't have this either. NT hasn't been given C2
- certification and won't for at least a year after its release. So,
- under NT you have local security, yes, but so does IBM's LAN Server.
-
- RS> 2) Cross Platform - Wouldn't it be nice to be able to sit in front of either
-
- RS> a PC, MIPS, Alpha, or almost any other system (Thanks HAL ) and know that
- RS> Windows NT has the ability to run on it? I know thats a BIG Plus for some
- of
- RS> the larger mixed - environment workplaces.
-
- Yep, and what we're saying is on the INTEL platform, OS/2 will always
- outperform NT. Because of that nice hardware abstraction, security and
- local client/server technology within the kernel you have with NT,
- there's layers of calls that have to be made before the OS returns from
- a service. So its slow on Intel. I don't know if MIPS or Alpha will be
- popular for then year or so, and by then IBM will have a competitive
- offering. This is a stalemate.
-
- RS> 3) Win32s - What more to say?
-
- That its crap. I develop Windows software (as well as OS/2 software).
- If I depend on 16 bit toolkits (DLLs), and almost EVERY vendor does,
- then I have to go through THREE layers of DLLs to access the Universal
- Thunk Layer that Win32s provides. Its a serious pain the you-know-what.
- If I have an investment in 16bit OS/2 software development, then I can
- migrate to 32bit easily--the operating system provides automatic
- thunking between 32bit and 16bit. How cool.
-
- Also, Microsoft's WOSA strategy is muddled at this time with Win32s.
- You can't do MAPI, you can't do ODBC, and you can't do named pipes if
- you use Win32s. How nice.
-
- What's also really cool about Win32s is that there's NO DEBUGGER for the
- 16 bit platform. Unless you count the thing they're talking about for
- the future where you can remote debug an app from an NT machine to DOS.
- Real nice.
-
- RS> 4) Multiuser support - Albeit, not so great as some variants of UN*X, but
- it's
- RS> a lot better than what OS/2 offers 'out of the box'.
-
- How so? This is crap. OS/2 has about as much as NT does with multiuser
- support. None. Unless you're talking about the built in LAN Man
- requester. I personally find that an asset in every Novell shop I walk
- into, which is just about 80 percent of the PC market.
-
- RS> etc...
-
- Such as?
-
- RS> And YES, I've used OS/2 v2.0 on my Home PC (386/33mhz; 8megs) for awhile.
- RS> Liked the DOS support, but I use more Windows applications than DOS, so
- RS> nothing runs Windows Apps as well as Windows 3.1. :)
-
- So what?
-
- RS> find Windows perfectly acceptable. (BUT, If I ever have the need to
- RS> format floppies in the background, OS/2 2.0 would be my first choice. <g>)
-
- But try doing that with NT.
-
- Kurt
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