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- Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 14:46:12 GMT
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- In article <Bzwwrn.8uM@csulb.edu> sichermn@csulb.edu (Jeff Sicherman) writes:
- >
- > You are a master at raising straw-man issues. Absolutely nobody is
- >trying to stop MS from selling its 'wares.
- >The issue is whether MS
- >treats its distributors and other sellers fairly and equally and
- >uses practices consistent with US law.
- >the concept of 'agreed price'
- >becomes somewhat hollow if coercion is involved.
-
- Only the US law is coersive, if it uses _force_ to limit MS from
- selling its property as it chooses to whoever chooses to buy it.
-
- >>A position like yours is not rare, and you are entitled to it, but
- >>at least be honset and say that you are against property rights,
- >>rather then using charged terms like "predatory practices".
- >
- > There you go again. I am not against property rights. I am against
- >the premise that they are completely absolute and god-granted.
-
- At the same time you are advocating a God-granted right for
- MS competitors to be treated in what _you_ call "fairly", and you
- give yourself a God-granted right to define that concept.
-
- If property rights are not absolute, then they are not absolute
- for the competitors as well. It is then appropriate for MS to
- use "predatory tactics" ( your favorite phrase ).
-
- >
- >>And to argue that the FTC is protecting the software customer when
- >>all evidence is the contary, and software prices are keep falling
- >>down all the time, is blindness at best.
- >
- > I never said it was protecting the customer. I said it was tasked
- >to protect the integrity of the marketplace.
-
- The integrity of the market place is broken once _force_ is
- introduced into it.
-
- >Sometimes the long term
- >goal that represents may even conflict with the short term advantages
- >to customers. One of these is the use of predatory pricing and
- >distribution practices to eliminate competition. In the short run
- >the customer may benefit but is likely to suffer later when the
- >market becomes monopolistic. Perhaps you think MS has lowered its prices
- >because they're such neat guys as opposed to having been pushed into it
- >by competition - with Borland and Lotus mainly.
-
- All this is a speculation of yours. By now prices are going down for
- years, and I dont think they have ever gone up. You want to
- penalize a company because of _speculations_, not facts.
-
- >
- > As to blindness - you seem to be deaf to the arguments presented in
- >this thread since you respond to most everything by prattling about
- >property rights as though they were unquestionable and self-evident.
-
- You are deaf as well. You treat _your_ own notions of fairness
- as absolute.
-
- >--
- >Jeff Sicherman
- >up the net without a .sig
-
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