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- From: rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard Warner)
- Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
- Subject: Re: ftc and ms
- Message-ID: <1992Dec21.233102.14676@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu>
- Date: 21 Dec 92 23:31:02 GMT
- References: <1992Dec20.3155.5785@dosgate> <1992Dec20.202150.818@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
- Organization: San Jose State University - Math/CS Dept.
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- helz@ecn.purdue.edu (Randall A Helzerman) writes:
-
- >In article <1992Dec20.3155.5785@dosgate>, "richard anstruther" <richard.anstruther@canrem.com> writes:
-
- >|> If it were only a question of other OS's, Lotus, Borland and WP
- >|> wouldn't care one way or the other. It's applications too, or
- >|> more specifically, MS's alleged habit of using its virtual
- >|> monopoly in OS's
-
- >First of all Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly on OS's. If you want to
- >run DOS programs and you don't want to go to Microsoft you can buy
- >DR DOS from digital research. And windows is facing very stiff competition
- >from OS/2 now, and when Solaris from Sun, NeXTSTEP from NeXT, Taligent from
- >Apple and IBM come out next year, nobody can say that the end user
- >faces a lack of options in the marketplace.
-
- The problem is that you pay for MS-DOS, whether you want it or not!
- One of the major complaints being investigated is that MS has virtually
- forced every PC-compatible vendor to pay a license fee for every system
- they ship. This is done by refusing to license on any lessor terms.
- So if Joe's Clone shop ships 1000 boxes a month, they have the choice
- between shipping them all with MS-DOS, or shipping none with MS-DOS.
- MS has refused any middle ground. So, since maybe 50% of Joe's
- customers want MS-DOS, he pays MS for all of them and stiffs the other
- 50% for the license fee for a program they may never want (and indeed,
- may never see).
-
- >|> to leverage other companies' apps out of the
- >|> marketplace by giving its own application programmers the inside
- >|> track to upcoming changes and undocumented features in the OS.
-
- >Would somebody please tell me exactly what is wrong with that? Besides
- >whining "its not _fair_!!!" Microsoft owns Windows and DOS. What Microsoft
- >wants to reveal or not reveal isn't anybody's business but Microsofts.
-
- BS! MS can sell MS-Windows because they can go to Corporation XYZ and
- say "look, Lotus, Borland, WP, Claris, and IBM all make Windows apps, so
- as you can see Windows is a standard that even Apple (Claris) and
- IBM endorse". Without all these apps, Windows would not sell. So
- our laws make it so that a company that depends on other companies,
- but is also a competitor to these companies, make it so that the
- competitive advantage enjoyed by the competing unit(s) is not that
- much above the other competitors. To make an analogy, let's say that
- Chevron was the only manufacturer of automobiles. Exxon, BP, etc.
- manufacture gasoline, and they need cars in order to sell their gasoline.
- Chevron also manufactures gasoline. So can Chevron make a change in
- their engine specs and not tell any of the gasoline manufacturers
- except their own? Of course not!
-
- >If Lotus, Borland, WP, Novel, et al don't like how Microsoft plays, they
- >don't have to play with Microsoft. Let them develop for UNIX or the Mac or
- >OS/2 or VMS or OSF/1 or NeXTSTEP or TOS or AmigaDos DR DOS or the Acorn
- >instead.
-
- Many of them do. But they should not be excluded from any market due
- to anti-competitive strategies.
-
- I am hoping that Sun's new WABI pans out. That will kill NT, severely
- cut into Windows, and force MS to try to stop Sun in court. (for
- the uninitiated, WABI is an interface that allows any Windows program
- to run on any machine [CPU/OS combination] to which WABI has been
- ported). You could run Ami Pro 3.0 in an X-term session on your
- HP workstation running HP/UX. Take that Billy :-)
-