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- From: TW.FY4@isumvs.iastate.edu (Timothy I Miller)
- Subject: Re: ftc and ms
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- Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
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- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:54:58 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec21.212355.5470@tc.cornell.edu>,
- bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu (Dov Bai-MSI Visitor) writes:
- >In article <BzMLLx.JtD@news.iastate.edu> TW.FY4@isumvs.iastate.edu (Timothy I Miller) writes:
- >
- >> I think I'm seeing the argument from a different angle than
- >>you. I don't see people complaining about unfair business practices
- >>because MS wrote DOS. People are complaining about (as SJB so
- >>eloquently put it) MS making up the rules but not playing by them.
- >>MS makes OS's. That's fine. MS makes applications. That's fine,
- >>too. The problem is that they are allowing their application
- >>developers to use calls from their OS that other developers can't
- >>use. This gives MS applications an unfair advantage over the
- >>competitors applications.
- >
- >Nobody is forcing any other developer to write a new OS and make
- >his/her new rules. If MS changes the rules, let them suffer the
- >consequences and die. Simply dont buy their products. It may happen
- >with OS/2. But it is their business decision because it is their money.
- >
-
- I don't buy their products, as I don't think they are any
- better (and are often worse) than the competitors' products. I
- think that one of the consequences you refer to is the intervention
- of the FTC, though. And I agree, let them suffer and die. (WAIT!
- I'm not anti-MS, and I don't really want them to go out of business
- for all of you who want to instantly flame me...).
-
- >> The question isn't a matter of ownership of the OS. MS wrote
- >>MS-DOS, and nobody is going to argue that (I guess it depends on
- >>what I mean by 'wrote'...). It's a question of interpreting the
- >>law. That is what the FTC is out to do. If the law is interpreted
- >>that MS is being unfair, then the FTC has every right to break up
- >>the company. Period.
- >
- >You are arguing circularly here. Of course the FTC has the muscles
- >to affect them adversely. But does the fact that the FTC can and
- >may do it, make it fair ? Do you claim that laws on the books are
- >always fair ?
- >
-
- Quite the opposite, I often think that laws are very unfair. I
- also know that fairness of a law doesn't change the fact that the
- law exists, and will be enforced by the government (well,
- sometimes...).
-
- >> And to be completely honest, I think that even if MS is broken
- >>up into several smaller companies, it will be a largely symbolic
- >>act. It probably won't affect people that much.
- >
- >Do you claim that property should remain private only so long as
- >someone is not too successful, but if one is, it should become the
- >goverment's ?
- >
-
- No, but I don't think that I'll go into analogies here, as they
- tend to be ripped to shreds. I'm not saying that MS should have to
- give up DOS (even though it would probably be a blessing to us all,
- including MS). I do believe that MS knew the consequences of their
- actions, and that they should be prepared to abide by the rules set
- up by the government, or the government will intervene. These rules
- aren't new, and MS has always known what sort of risk was being
- taken.
-
- Timothy Miller
-
-