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- From: bdubbs@cs.tamu.edu (Bruce Dubbs)
- Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
- Subject: Re: ftc and ms
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- Date: 21 Dec 92 17:44:32 GMT
- References: <1992Dec20.3155.5785@dosgate> <1992Dec20.202150.818@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
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- In article <1992Dec20.202150.818@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, helz@ecn.purdue.edu (Randall A Helzerman) writes:
- |> In article <1992Dec20.3155.5785@dosgate>, "richard anstruther" <richard.anstruther@canrem.com> writes:
- |>
- |> |> If it were only a question of other OS's, Lotus, Borland and WP
- |> |> wouldn't care one way or the other. It's applications too, or
- |> |> more specifically, MS's alleged habit of using its virtual
- |> |> monopoly in OS's
- |>
- |> First of all Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly on OS's.
-
- But they would like to.
-
- |> If you want to
- |> run DOS programs and you don't want to go to Microsoft you can buy
- |> DR DOS from digital research. And windows is facing very stiff competition
- |> from OS/2 now, and when Solaris from Sun, NeXTSTEP from NeXT, Taligent from
- |> Apple and IBM come out next year, nobody can say that the end user
- |> faces a lack of options in the marketplace.
-
-
- The whole point is that a very large company with very deep pockets can
- afford to sell a product at less than another company needs to stay in business. That puts the other company out of business. The size and
- importance of operating systems is much greater today than ever before. A
- single programmer can create a CP/M or a DOS 1.0. It takes a large team to
- create an OS/2, Solaris, etc. If the other products go out of business, the prices are sure to go up.
-
- For example, what was the cost of the OS/2 1.2 Programmer's Developmet Kit? $2600? That was done when there was effecively no competition. It doesn't
- really matter who is doing the anti-competitive practices. Competition is
- essential.
-
- Microsoft has grown to a point where they are trying to take advantage
- of their size to squeeze out smaller companies. When that happens, the
- prices will go up. Can it happen? I think so. Will it happen? Without
- organizations like the FTC, I think it might. Without the FTC action on
- IBM, would they have gone to B Gates for DOS 1.0 or would they have just
- created it themselves? Probably not, because they did not really have the
- foresight to see the real potential of microcomputers, but the potential
- was there. (How's that for a frightening scenario?)
-
-
-
-
-
- |>
- |> |> to leverage other companies' apps out of the
- |> |> marketplace by giving its own application programmers the inside
- |> |> track to upcoming changes and undocumented features in the OS.
- |>
- |> Would somebody please tell me exactly what is wrong with that?
-
-
- See above.
-
- |> Besides
- |> whining "its not _fair_!!!" Microsoft owns Windows and DOS. What Microsoft
- |> wants to reveal or not reveal isn't anybody's business but Microsofts.
- |>
- |> If Lotus, Borland, WP, Novel, et al don't like how Microsoft plays, they
- |> don't have to play with Microsoft. Let them develop for UNIX or the Mac or
- |> OS/2 or VMS or OSF/1 or NeXTSTEP or TOS or AmigaDos DR DOS or the Acorn
- |> instead.
-
-
- Ah, but B Gates vision is to have Windows xx take the place of all of them.
- Replace UNIX? It doesn't look likely now, but with the proper leverage
- it could happen. Put Apple out of business? A very real possibility.
- The fewer the competitors, the more profit can be made.
-
- I believe that the strength of the country is the ability for small companies
- to grow into large companies. Microsoft is an excellent example. We need
- to encourage this and prevent the companies that have grown large from
- hindering the smaller ones.
-
- --
- Bruce Dubbs | Oxymorons of note:
- bdubbs@neuron.tamu.edu | Honest Politician, Political Science,
- | Scrupulous Lawyer
-