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- From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)
- Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
- Subject: Re: WELL anonymity policy
- Date: 24 Dec 1992 02:23:24 GMT
- Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
- Lines: 71
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- References: <1992Dec23.215134.2473@eff.org> <1haqotINNjdk@agate.berkeley.edu> <1992Dec24.005022.4888@eff.org>
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- In article <1992Dec24.005022.4888@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
- >In article <1haqotINNjdk@agate.berkeley.edu> spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes:
-
- >>All the evidence points to [ pseudonymity policy ] being
- >>fairly restrictive, including what I've been able to
- >>learn from WELL admins thus far.
- >
- >All the evidence points to no such thing. You are dismissing evidence that
- >doesn't support your point, such as when I point out that no one who has
- >seriously wanted an anonymous account has failed to get one.
-
- Based on what the WELL has told me, your definition of
- "serious" is so narrow that I would have to label it as
- disrepectful of the propestive subscribers privacy interests.
-
- It is one thing to deny requests for pseudonymity because the
- management have goals they feel would be best served otherwise.
-
- It's quite another, in my view, for you to dismissively label
- somebody's desire for privacy as "not serious". I am finding you more
- and more offensive as this thread continues.
-
-
- >Oh, about 5000 have never said anything about the issue.
-
- This proves nothing.
-
- >>Why do you believe the users I've talked to are not representative?
- >
- >Because I know that those who want anonymity can get it.
-
- It's funny that you can "know" this, since unless WELL
- changes its stated policy your statement above is completely
- false.
-
- >>Mike, here you are being ludicrous. If someone does not wish
- >>to use the system other than anonymously, they're not in
- >>much of a position to "experience the system a bit" before
- >>forming an opinion, are they?
- >
- >Sure they are. Ever heard of lurking?
-
- That's a good point. (Maybe there is hope for you, Mike.) Perhaps the
- WELL will allow pseudonymous "lurk-only" accounts that you can't post
- from and that don't make your identity publically accessible. That way
- you could see what the system while maintaining privacy. I would
- conjecture the admins would allow this unless there's a techinal
- problem with it.
-
- >
- >>And you keep using the word "speculating" inappropriately.
- >
- >On the contrary: "speculation" means going beyond what you know to be a
- >fact. You clearly have done this a lot.
-
- I've tried to be careful to properly qualify those statements
- where not all the facts are in evidence and an assumption
- or guess is necessary. You should learn to do this yourself, BTW.
-
- >The fact that I, who use the WELL, disagree with the perception of you,
- >a person who never has used it? There is no logical connection between
- >these two propositions.
-
- You may use the WELL, but you seem to have no desire to
- present a factual description on this issue. Instead, your
- whole thrust seems to be to declare that there's "not a
- problem", no matter what evidence and considerations surface. Thus,
- even though you have more raw data at your disposal than
- do I, your statements still come off as semi-uniformed.
-
- Steve
-