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- From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)
- Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
- Subject: Re: WELL anonymity policy
- Date: 22 Dec 1992 03:52:34 GMT
- Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
- Lines: 97
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- References: <1h5o5vINNij1@morrow.stanford.edu> <1h5qkoINNl60@agate.berkeley.edu> <1h5ufqINNovq@morrow.stanford.edu>
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- In article <1h5ufqINNovq@morrow.stanford.edu> karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) writes:
- >In article <1h5qkoINNl60@agate.berkeley.edu> spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu
- >(Steve Pope) writes:
-
- >>|Another reason people want pseudonyms: to stay a bit further
- >>|out of the line of fire from those who take intellectual
- >>|disagreements personally, and escalate to scatology and
- >>|personable abuse on the slightest of pretexts.
- >>
- >>OK Chuck, you have now added a complete non-sequitar to
- >>this thread. Please explain yourself.
- >
- >I'm sorry, Steve. I excised some of the ruder portions
- >of your article (<1h5qkoINNl60@agate.berkeley.edu>) out
- >of consideration for the other readers off this group.
-
- This is a totally gratuitous remark, there is nothing
- at all rude about my previous articles on this threadarticle.
- Your comment is completely spurious.
-
- Can you stay on topic please? And if you *do* feel
- anything I said was "rude" why don't you quote it
- so that your accusation is believable?
-
- >Other, less assertive people shrink from this sort of abuse.
-
- You're the only one issuing "abuse" here. I'm trying
- discuss the WELL's apparent policy on pseudonymity, you
- are going off on spurious tangents.
-
- And you _still_ didn't connect your comment I quoted
- above to the rest of the discussion. Try to stay on
- track.
-
- >The obvious followup question is "consistent with what?".
- >For your usage to be meaningful, you have to ask and
- >answer this question. From the context, I assume that
- >the answer is "with accepted concepts of basic fairness".
- >And I'll still disagree with you.
-
- No, the answer I mean is "self-consistent". E.g. celebrities
- being treated the same as non-celebrities would be a level
- of consistency this policy definitely lacks.
-
- >>|We've all heard the
- >>|famous dictum about those who see consistency as an
- >>|end in itself.
- >>
- >>Another non-sequitar. What IS your point??
- >
- >It's a literary reference. A well-known quotation. You
- >can look it up, using "consistency" as a key word.
-
- Well known or not, you _still_ haven't connected this
- second non-sequitar (sp?) to the topic of this thread.
-
- >Knowing that the WELL subscribers are not pacified
- >children, and that, on the contrary, they're among
- >the most demanding audiences around in terms of
- >fairness and political correctness, I don't feel the
- >need to answer this in terms of formal logic. If
- >that audience is happy with the policies, I trust that
- >they're at least reasonable, if not exemplary.
-
- Sorry, Chuck, that doesn't wash. Your premise seems
- to be the WELL's subscribers, and therefore the
- policies they condone, are so obviously reasonable
- that no debate is merited. That's pretty weak.
-
- Has it ever occured to you that this kind of policy
- question is of legitimate interest to users of on-line
- services in general, not just WELL subscribers with their
- own flavor of "political correctness"?
-
- >>|>My guess -- correct me if I'm wrong -- the Well admins would
- >>|>say "sorry" to such a request. [pseudonymity
- >>|>requested because a subscriber is too shy to use their
- >>|>real name]
- >>|
- >>|Mr. Pope, your guess is not well informed.
- >>
- >>Justify this gratuitous, groundless remark if you can.
- >>
- >>My guess is logical given the facts in evidence.
- >
-
- >Now you seem to be claiming that the "facts in evidence"
- >are the only relevant facts.
- >My remark was in the way of
- >advising you that this is not correct.
-
- One should always advance the most likely
- hypothesis given the facts in evidence. This is the
- essence of the scientific method....
-
-
- Steve
-