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- From: rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
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- Subject: Re: Comparison of Alpha, MIPS and PA-RISC-II wanted
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- Date: 22 Dec 92 14:05:43 GMT
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- In article <mwp.724991851@iconix.oz.au>, mwp@iconix.oz.au (Michael
- Paddon) writes (in a rather tetchy, but pretty well-informed post):
- |> [...]
- |> > 3) No standardized user firendly shell.
- |>
- |> Last time I looked POSIX had standardized at least one of the Unix shells.
- |> You can move to any modern Unix, and be able to use your favorite shell.
- |>
- |> In comparison, VMS provides DCL. A language with 60's control structures
- |> (no for loops, while loops etc). No pipes. No command output substitution.
-
- True, all true. VMS enthusiast though I am, I have to agree here.
-
- |> No globbing, so that's its done different by every command. God save us!
-
- Indeed no globbing (in the Un*x sense). RMS (or is it the underlying
- ACP? - I don't have direct access to VMS systems any more, boo hoo)
- provide wildcard searching to every application. An application that
- rolls its own is distinctly out of order here...
-
- There are advantages to the Un*x globbing mechanism, but on the whole
- I prefer the VMS way.
-
- |> [...]
- |>
- |> After using both, I found that I produce code up to 10 times faster under
- |> Unix. Which is superior?
-
- Depends what you want it for. For me now, using a Un*x platform to
- support research into other OSs is fine. In my previous job,
- developing applications to _sell_, I appreciated what I perceived as
- the solid base that VMS offered.
-
- |> >If UNIX was ever allowed to become the sole O/S it would halt O/S deelopment
- |> >completely. The only effort UNIX has ever made is in catching up.
- |>
- |> There should never be a sole OS. That way lies stagnation. However Unix
- |> has broken ground in some extremely important areas; examples are easy to
- |> find, for instance the BSD networking development.
- |>
- |> The most important point, however, is that Unix is *not* perfect. The
- |> problem with commercialization is that is becomes harder and harder to
- |> throw away old ideas, because code must be supported.
- |>
- |> So Unix grows crusty with age, and thereby creates room for a newcomer.
- |> What will it be? That's the real question.
-
- If anyone comes up with the real answer any time soon, let me know...
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- Robin (Campaign for Real Radio 3) Fairbairns rf@cl.cam.ac.uk
- U of Cambridge Computer Lab, Pembroke St, Cambridge CB2 3QG, UK
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