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- Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
- Message-ID: <9212282307.AA09518@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>
- Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 15:07:37 -0800
- Sender: Forum for the Discussion of Politics <POLITICS@UCF1VM.BITNET>
- From: Andy Freeman <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU>
- Subject: Re: more responses to andy f.'s comments
- In-Reply-To: <POLITICS%92122813085919@UCF1VM.CC.UCF.EDU>
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- >> >But it doesn't stop there--if the employees are being asked to share in
- >> >the risk they may very well want to share in the decision-making power,
- >> >as well. Currently they possess almost no power, yet they bear a
- >> >substantial amount of the risk.
- >>
- >> So what? They're being PAID for accepting that risk.
- >
- >It's amazing what a minimum wage job will stretch to cover. Risk of
- >unemployment, risk of long-term health damage. . .
- >
- >You must share your budgeting secrets with us someday.
-
- It's amazing that Peter assumes every job is minimum wage, especially
- when the jobs in question aren't.
-
- My "budgeting secrets" are that I don't do low-value things. I also
- switch to different things as "value" changes. I don't expect the
- world to stay. Then again, I come from a family that moves for
- income. People who won't get something for their choice. Why does
- Peter think that they should get it for free? Is he volunteering to
- pay my "adjustment" costs?
-
- >Huge fraction? Exactly how huge? Most businesses are props or
- >partnerships, but most jobs are from corporations. And lots of small
- >businesses are corportations, too.
-
- So? I wasn't using "sole proprietorship" as the IRS does, but in the
- relevant sense, namely "how many owners lose if the biz goes down the
- toilet". After all, we're not discussing taxation.
-
- >> Why would anyone invest in a biz in that situation? They might LOAN
- >> money to a "probably can't fail biz", or one with sufficient assets
- >> that can't be easily destroyed (so foreclosure works), but they're not
- >> going to go for anything risky.
- >
- >Actually, the quality of a firm's workforce is a very relevant question
- >to an investor. Why should it make so much difference how business
- >decisions are made, as long as the decisions are good ones? Unless,
- >of course, you think people in general are idiots and only dictatorships
- >work.
-
- Good ones from whose point of view?
-
- Given some saved money, I can either consume it or invest it. If I'm
- not going to get a return, which is a nice way to say "good decisions
- from my point of view", I'm going to consume it.
-
- I happen to think that we need more investments with high variance,
- but they won't happen if said investors don't have control. Peter may
- well think that we can do well enough with nice safe investments, ones
- where it doesn't much matter whose point of view we use.
-
- -andy
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