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- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:28:46 -0800
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- From: Andy Freeman <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU>
- Subject: Re: Convincing Kerry
- In-Reply-To: <POLITICS%92122114002350@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
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- >One thing that seems unclear to me is the distinction Joe wishes
- >to draw between a belief and an intention.
- >I always thought that an intention was a kind of belief. But if not,
- >I still don't see why the distinction is an important one.
-
- Its importance depends on what we're trying to do.
-
- >We also agree that in cases of homicide, we might have two
- >cases in which the outward behavior is identical, but one case
- >is a more serious crime than the other, because of the criminal's
- >state of mind.
- >
- >I claim that the Wisconsin law is essentially similar to
- >the second category. I do not understand why you disagree.
-
- Suppose our goal is to reduce the occurrence of harmful acts. That
- provides a basis for distinguishing first time "I tried to do that"
- and "oops, I didn't mean to do it"; that basis is that it's probably
- easier to adjust the behavior of the latter person than that of the
- former. (After someone has said "oops" a number of times, we
- obviously need more effective measures such as those we use for "I
- tried to do it".) If it turns out that it's actually easier to change
- the behavior of "I wanted to kill her" than "oops", then the "oops"
- people get the serious hosing (to the extent that serious hosing
- works).
-
- This "reduce harm" goal does not, by itself, distinguish "I did it
- because I like to see people suffer", "I did it because I don't like
- that kind of person", and "I did it because they wouldn't hand me
- money". We might know something else about people who fall into
- those categories along the lines of "It's easier to convince robbers
- to leave people alone than it is to convince Nazis". That info
- together with our "reduce harm" goal would justify different
- penalties, but if we found that Nazis were easier to convince than
- robbers ....
-
- We could have other goals. We could punish people because they
- disgust us, and a robber isn't as disgusting as a Nazi. However, if
- we do that, there's no particularly good reason for waiting for said
- Nazi to do something "wrong" - we've got a basis for hosing them just
- because they're a Nazi.
-
- The Wisconsin law is not necessarily consistent with a "reduce harm"
- goal. (We need more evidence to make the call.) It is consistent
- with the "Nazis disgust us" goal. What is our goal?
-
- -andy
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