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  1. Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
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  3. Message-ID: <POLITICS%92122116032097@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
  4. Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
  5. Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:58:15 EST
  6. Sender:       Forum for the Discussion of Politics <POLITICS@UCF1VM.BITNET>
  7. From:         Jamie <PL436000@BROWNVM.BITNET>
  8. Subject:      Re: left-right
  9. Lines: 34
  10.  
  11. >From:         Grzegorz Albinowski <caius@II.UJ.EDU.PL>
  12.  
  13. >My look at these matters has always been:
  14. >
  15. >---------------------------------+------------------------------------------
  16. >      Leftism                    |          Rightism
  17. >---------------------------------+------------------------------------------
  18. > anti-individualistic            |     pro-individualistic
  19. >                                 |
  20. > "All individual resources       |    "the state wealthy by the the
  21. > should be allocated to the      |     wealth of its citizens"
  22. > prosperity of the state"        |
  23. >                                 |
  24. > "welfare" state                 |    "no free lunch"
  25. >                                 |
  26. >---------------------------------+------------------------------------------
  27.  
  28. Well, then, we have a choice. Either we can all keep Caius's
  29. chart in mind, as a kind of iconic definition of his idiolectic
  30. meaning of "Leftism" and "Rightism," or he can try using more
  31. standard words. I prefer the latter, but am willing to try the
  32. former. (Hey, Jimbo, doesn't this paragraph remind you of Zeleny?)
  33.  
  34. >Thats why I put all flavours of socialism (Marxism, Nazism, Soviet Communism)
  35. >on the left.
  36.  
  37. Well, that appears to be an error, even according to your own chart.
  38. Many socialists are individualists. (I would even count MARX as an
  39. individualist, actually!) Many socialists are against the welfare state.
  40. Many socialists are opposed to state control of resources (e.g., Noam
  41. Chomsky).
  42.  
  43. Terminologically yours,
  44. Jamie
  45.