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- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:39:17 CST
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- From: David E Boyes <dboyes@IS.RICE.EDU>
- Subject: Re: Logical Partitions/Physical Partitions
- Comments: To: IBM-MAIN@ricevm1.rice.edu
- In-Reply-To: <9212232053.AA17620@is.rice.edu>; from "Michael Stein" at Dec 23,
- 92 12:51 pm
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- > - support of new hardware
- > VM tends to have later support for new hardware, thus
- > restricting you from installing new hardware (and selling the
- > old while it's still worth something).
-
- I've never had trouble defining new whiz-bang devices to VM as
- unsupported devices. Yes, VM can't use them, but if the object is
- to supply them to a guest MVS, who cares? Let MVS deal with them
- -- 3390 and 3490 support started this way, and it's been
- succesful in our environment with non-blue gear.
-
- > - complexity
- > VM is much more complex than LPAR. Besides taking system
- > programmer time to support/maintain it, there are more things
- > which can go wrong (I/O support, CMS which is at least needed
- > to maintain VM).
-
- I'm not sure I buy this at all. By the time you keep track of the
- microcode in the redundant controllers you need for good LPAR
- support and tune the LPAR configuration to get the right CPU caps
- and allocations, you've spent about as much time as you would
- have installing VM once and been done with it. If you are using
- VM for nothing but running guest MVS machines, you don't have to
- do diddly to VM -- you set up really big V=R/V=F areas and VM
- pretty much stays out of the way and lets MVS do it's thing.
-
- There's also a pretty considerable hardware expense involved in
- LPAR operations -- duplicate controllers & devices aren't cheap.
- The cost of a used 3880/3380K on the used market is small and
- VM runs OK in 1 3380 box, compared to duplicating a complete
- system configuration for each LPAR to maintain separation of
- devices.
-
- > It's easy to say that VM and LPAR should have the same
- > overhead, however it may not be. It's probably easy to start
- > using some VM services which have a large impact on the
- > performance. And if you can't use the VM services why pay for
- > VM? (reliability, $, maintenance, support etc).
-
- LPARs are a lot easier to tune, I'll admit. I dearly wish for an
- absolute CPU cap in VM. Most MVS-intensive shops with VM that I know of
- use VM to replace real CTCA or 3088 hardware and not much else.
- The maintenance on one real CTCA makes up a significant portion of
- the cost of VM, especially for academic sites eligible for the
- HESC discounts.
-