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- From: elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley)
- Newsgroups: bit.listserv.catholic
- Subject: Re: "OR, on the rocks, with a twist"
- Message-ID: <isRRwB1w165w@mintir.new-orleans.la.us>
- Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 15:49:05 CST
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- psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) writes:
-
- [a large amount of ridiculous tripe deleted...]
-
- >
- > Actually, I didn't call you a slanderer. That would have been an ad
- > hominem. I characterized a few of your statements as slander and libel.
- > The one where you said that Terry was a racketeer, and the one where
- > you said that his tactics are no better than the boss of an organized
- > crime family, are both libelous. There is neither justification nor
- > substance to back them up. They are simply unfavorable impressions of
- > yours.
-
- Nothing like walking a fine line on this one. You 'characterize' my words as
- slander, you call me a slanderer. It's as simple as that. Randall Terry
- founded a group that organizes criminal activities. That is fact. You don't
- see it that way, fine, but the fact remains that OR protests result in
- violations of the law, both non-violent civil disobedience actions and violent
- assaults on those defending the clinics. A mob boss organizes a group for
- criminal purposes. The comparison is legitimate. You yourself admitted that
- Terry is a criminal. The organization is criminal in its intent (until such
- time as abortion is made illegal). These are facts, not 'unfavorable
- impressions.'
-
- But, as always, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. You're
- entitled to your opinion on OR, but you are not entitled to call mine libel and
- slander.
-
-
- >
- > I first started posting on this thread to point out the twist that you
- > were throwing in your articles. I have seen you indict the whole of
- > Operation Rescue by referring to the actions of one Assemblies of God
- > minister; you have given credit to OR to the Santa-suited ones, when
- > there was no specific mention of what group they belonged to. You have
- > characterized a whole group of people as violent by referring to one
- > man's acts of violence. When I saw this, it didn't sound like the OR
- > that I know, but rather the perception that the borts try to use.
-
- What is a 'bort'? Seems like you're lapsing into ad hominem again.
-
- If you had been following my articles in this group, you would have seen
- references not only to the Santa attack in Baton Rouge, but the other protests
- last summer, held in Baton Rouge, Buffalo, and Houston. With the exception of
- the December attack on the Baton Rouge clinic, all three of the others were
- offically sponsored by OR. If the violence documented during those protests is
- 'not the OR that you know,' perhaps your time would be well spent changing the
- attitudes of those who commit acts of violence in the course of their protests.
-
- >
- > The characterization that I saw here didn't reflect the whole of OR,
- > but rather sought to defame OR. I don't know the reason that you have
- > for this, but I still expect an honest and level presentation.
- >
-
- Stating facts is not defamatory. If you expect honesty, you ought to start
- with your own language. You have used the words 'defame,' 'slander,' and
- 'libel' over and over again. You refer to those who disagree with your
- position in quite derogatory terms. An 'honest and level presentation' might
- be possible, even in your eyes, if you would permit one.
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