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- From: fuzzface@cats.ucsc.edu (Aaron Priven)
- Newsgroups: ba.transportation
- Subject: Re: Cars as "something better"
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- Date: 3 Jan 93 20:50:33 GMT
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- In article <1i52riINNemr@agate.berkeley.edu> lazzaro@boom.CS.Berkeley.EDU (John Lazzaro) writes:
- >To make a more general point, the layout of San Francisco naturally
- >fits with mass transportation, and this is the real reason MUNI and
- >BART have high ridership compared with other systems.
-
- Absolutely true, but you seem to imply that the layout of SF caused
- the prevalence of mass transit, and not the reverse. From the 1870s
- to 1940s, when most of San Francisco was built, the predominant
- transportation method in San Francisco was the streetcar (or cable
- car), and the buildings were built to be served by them. It's not
- like there's something inherent in the topography, or something, that
- makes cars unusable.
-
- >Take a swatch
- >through Silicon Valley that represents the same number of residents
- >and employees as San Francisco, and you have an area that is very
- >difficult to service with mass transit, an area where the freeways are
- >hell at rush hour (with no earthquake excuses to fall back on),
-
- The only excuse, of course, is that it's so difficult to get around in
- Silicon Valley any *other* way that noone does it. But of course one
- could rebuild Silicon Valley to change that. It would take decades,
- of course, but there's an awful lot of land down there that could be
- built on tomorrow if you could eliminate some parking places.
-
- >an area with higher smog than the rest of the Bay Area
-
- To be fair, I think this has more to do with the air currents and the
- mountains than the lack of transit.
-
- >And good mass transit is one piece of the
- >puzzle for these people; if BART and MUNI were as anemic as Caltrain
- >and SSCTA, SF would be uncommutable and shrinking.
-
- Well, I think you attribute quite a lot to the transit system. But I
- agree, it's one piece.
-
- =Aaron=
- --
- Aaron Priven, fuzzface@cats.ucsc.edu
- Bring in the workers, and bring up the rails;
- We're gonna lay down the tracks, and tear up the trails.
- Open her heart, let the life-blood flow,
- Gotta get on our way 'cause we're movin' too slow.
- -- Gordon Lightfoot, "Canadian Railroad Trilogy"
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