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- From: eager@eagercon.com (Michael J. Eager)
- Subject: Re: Duck and Jive (was Re: Pre-Sex Contract )
- Message-ID: <1992Dec24.191159.334@eagercon.com>
- Sender: root@eagercon.com (Operator)
- Reply-To: eager@eagercon.com
- Organization: Eager Consulting
- References: <1992Dec22.163707.1975@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>
- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:11:59 GMT
- Lines: 50
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- In article 1975@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com, bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris) writes:
- >
- >If society was actually going after so-called 'dead-beat dads' because
- >there was actually no alternative - the woman was *really* stuck with the
- >kid with no alternative - I could feel more sympathy for this viewpoint.
- >However, that is not the case a lot of the time. There could be adoptive
- >parents ready, willing, and able to support the child - and the system will
- >go after the father to pay to keep the kid with the mother. So 'the system'
- >is not subsidizing just the kid, it's subsidizing 'motherhood' - IMO.
-
- This is heinous. Do you believe that children are a comodity, owned by
- the government, to be given where and when it wishes? Do you believe that
- a mother and child should be separated, causing significant harm to the child,
- rather than ask the father to pay for supporting the child?
-
- >
- >Much of the problem with single unwed mothers not getting support from the
- >father appears to be because they don't name him, though I lack the specific
- >data on this - (I'm not sure if it's available.)
-
- This is called a factoid. There is no evidence, yet it is presented as
- "much of the problem".
-
- >This shows a problem with
- >the current idea of making the man entirely 'responsible' for fathering
- >the child - you often don't even know who he is. We do not seem to do much
- >to make the mother 'responsible' for having the kid, and seem to go out of
- >our way to pay the mother to keep her kid even when there are alternatives
- >available.
-
- Nothing shown.
-
- There is no assumption that the man is entirely responsible, nor that the mother
- is not responsible. There is a _strong_ bias in law and custom for keeping
- families intact (see divorce laws) and for keeping children with their parents.
-
- >
- >I really think we should de-emphasize going after so-called 'deadbeat dads'
- >in the name of 'responsibility', and simply look for other means to solve
- >the problem.
- >
-
- In other words, let's ignore the people with the obligation and use other
- peoples assets to cover their obligation.
-
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