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- From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
- Subject: Re: Gays, the military and "privacy"
- Message-ID: <1992Dec28.114046.1520@netcom.com>
- Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.
- References: <92357.48577.J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> <1992Dec23.063048.15348@netcom.com> <44026@zygot.ati.com>
- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 11:40:46 GMT
- Lines: 78
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- In article <44026@zygot.ati.com> john@zygot.ati.com (John Higdon) writes:
- >>You are so right -- it must be SO humilating for all those
- >>women in the Armed Force to not be able to shower, shit, and
- >>sleep (in the same bunk room) with the men. It must be
- >>agonizing for them.
- >>
- >You know, the odds are that you (everyone reading this) have
- >shared a public restroom with a gay person. Did you survive
- >the experience? Perhaps we can hear some war stories about
- >the ordeal. Can I expect to see a sign bearing the words,
- >"Straight Men" on the door of the Fry's men's room in the
- >forseeable future?
- >
- >I can guarantee you shared a high school locker room with gay
- >people. Did you survive? Did it "turn you gay"? Did it
- >corrupt your morals? Did you even know who they were? How did
- >you know?
- >
- >Men and women are built differently. They look different,
- >even with clothes on. I had always assumed that this was the
- >rationalization for separate toilet and dressing facilities,
- >not some worry about mental processes concerning attraction
- >or lust. Nor had it occurred to me that the reason for
- >separate facilities was to keep men and women from
- >uncontrollably screwing each other.
- >
- >Do men feel uncomfortable if they have to shower, shit, and
- >sleep (in the same bunk room) with women? Maybe. Who cares? A
- >gay man is not a woman. He is as much a man as any other,
-
- Why, you are so right. After all, if it's natural, then we surely can't
- object to it, can we?
-
- Sex is natural. Right? You surely agree?
-
- Wow -- look at my office mates huge color poster of a woman and a man having
- sex. In full view of everyone -- why heck, it's only natural, can't hurt
- you -- why are those women complaining?
-
- And hey, look that poster of a pile of shit? Naseauting? Naw, it can't be.
- We all shit, we've all seen it, can't hurt you, it's only a poster. Why
- are you running down the hall to throw up?
-
-
-
- Sorry -- but you are full of it.
-
- 1. Women would complain immediately if restrooms in this country would
- be made into unisex rooms overnight.
-
- 2. Nobody, especially me, has said that "rape" is the key issue. Sexual
- context and sexual privacy is. I've heard of women that chose to go to
- a less convenient gym because the close one had a "reputation" of having
- "a lot of dykes" in it.
-
- 3. "Men and women are built differently. They look different,
- even with clothes on. I had always assumed that this was the
- rationalization for separate toilet and dressing facilities"
-
- WHAT? So then we have yet more distinct facilities for the
- severekly handicapped or the grossly obese or the anorexic or
- children or blacks or asians ....
-
- That was this years LAMEST statement!
-
-
- We have SEPERATE facilities for men and women because both sexes prefer
- to have control over their sexual contexts. Women don't want men in their locker
- rooms, and mostly, men don't want women in theirs (football teams and women
- reporters).
-
-
-
-
- --
- I believe Gennifer Flowers.
-
- These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
-