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- From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (x4604 (Hauskins))
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- Subject: Re: Duh, he don't need no facts, he'sa Politically Correct, duh ...
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- Date: 23 Dec 92 16:28:05 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec23.105727.19221@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
- > >It is easy to sink you. If we look at the majority on the
- > >newsgroup, they disagree with most of what you say, not
- > >becuase it is fashionable, but becuase you lack insight and
- > >the ability to interpret information correctly.
- > >
- > >Forest have and are dying from acid rain effects on soil and
- > >lakes.
- >
- >So, you believe that forests are dying fromm acid rain? Golly, that's
- >going to surprise a lot of scientists. Pray tell, upon WHAT scientific
- >evidence do you base this on? We are breathless ...
- >
- >In the meantime, to further this interesting debunking, I've ordered
- >through the library a political analysis -
- >
- > "Reports on the failure of Congress and the Bush administration
- > to study the National Acid Precipitation Assesment Project
- > (NAPAP) report before voting on the Clean Air act. A $500 million,
- > ten year study initiated by Congress which concluded that the
- > President's crash program to cut sulfur dioxide emissions has no
- > ecological, health, or economic justification. By W.T. Brookes.
- >
- >and a scientific one on acid rain on lakes and such -
- >
- > [Analysis] based the Environmental Protection Agency's National
- > Surface Water Survey (NSWS) to indetidy the role of acidic
- > deposition relative to other factors in causing acidic conditions
- > in an estimated 1180 lakes and 4570 streams in the United States.
- > Science, 5/24/91.
- >
- >W.T. Brooks quotes from the Science article in making his point.
- >
- >Y'all go ahead and get your copies too. I know that it is such a drag for
- >all you PC(tm) types to have to deal with facts, but hey, life's tough.
- >
-
- I am not interested in political analysis of a scientific problem. Read
- the following if you will.
-
- Just for Fun, here's an abstract from the AGU meeting next week
-
- Acidification Rates in Forested Catchments in Central Europe
-
- T. Paces (Czech Geo. Survey, Malostranske nam. 19, Prague, 118 21,
- CZECHOSLOVAKIA)
-
- Central Europe receives the highest acidic deposition in the
- world. A mean deposition rate of SO2 in the most acidified catchments
- is 700 mmol H+/m2/yr. About 50 mmol is due to H+ in acid rain, 550 mmol
- results from dry deposition of SO2 and 100 mmol of H+ is generated by
- the deposition of NOx and transformation of N species in soil. This
- acidification leads to the complete dieback of spruce (Pices abies)
- forest. Protons are consumed by hydrolysis of rock-forming minerals
- with a rate of 180 mmol H+/m2/yr. The exchangeable base cations in soil
- are exchanged for protons and Al3+ with a rate of 430 mmol H+/m2/yr and
- the mobilisation of Al and its subsequent reaction with SO4(2-) to
- produce jurbanite consumes protons with a rate of 110 mmol H+/m2/yr.
- The biogeochemical processes in the extremely acidified catchments are
- probably reversible. This is indicated by a systematic decrease in
- SO4(2-) and H+ runoff since 1978, after the dead trees were removed and
- the adsorption capacity for dry SO2 and NOx within the catchments
- decreased.
-
- Hydrogeochemical monitoring of the forested catchments in
- the Czech Republic will hopefully yield quantitative data on the
- behaviour of the forest ecosystems after the economic changes in this
- country were introduced in 1990 and pollution loads of the acidic
- oxides have started to decrease.
-
- (Paces documented a rapid die-off of forests once the soils
- had been completely acidified.) His name should have \/ over the c.
-
- So the point is, politics can do what they want, and you can worry
- over that, but the science is not in yet, to how and why acid rain
- effects the environment completely, and also, it has been shown that
- sulfric acid may not have as important role as thought, but that nitric acid
- may be more important (car emmisions).
- >
- >
- >BTW - for other literature-ignorami, "Oh sink me" is the line the Scarlet
- >Pimpernel used when told a lie of such vast proportions that his only
- >socially correct response (when he was playing the fop) was to feign
- >great amusement.
- >
- >
-
- Thank you for enlighting all of us on your reading skills and memory.
- Like golly, we didn't know.
- >
- >
- >--
-