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- From: mhi@wet.UUCP (Philip E. Murphy)
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- Subject: Re: More Child Molestors for Christ
- Summary: the moral brown shirts ride again
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- Date: 22 Dec 92 15:49:24 GMT
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- Phil Ronzone writes:
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- >1. We are "put here" with but one goal -- to seek happiness. All the world's
- >religions (Chritian, Moslem, Communisn/Socialism, Eco fascism) that tell
- >you otherwise ("ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you
- >can do for your country" -- J. "Benito" Kennedy) are full of shit and
- >basically are seeking your submission to their needs for their
- >aggrandisement.
-
- **** Phil Ronzone again misses the point by a light year through ignorance ****
- We are an evolutionary accident - not put here to achieve happiness. Any
- thing we achieve or become is based on our ability to build political systems
- that allow for technological growth. This has been true since the greeks.
- Even the Catholic Church acknowledges evolution.
-
- >
- >You keep asking me WHY I have the opinions I do. You keep bringing rationality
- >into it. Why?
- >
- >A. Guys butt fucking each other is unnatural.
- >B. We have evolved to sexually couple male/female.
- >C. The anus is not designed for sexual intercourse.
- >D. Homosexuality in other species, such as rats, is only observed in
- > pathological conditions.
- >E. And so on ...
-
- Lets examine Phil's post.
- "A" is only correct for a minority of homosexuals. Gay men and women
- have many different ways of intimacy. Your anger betrays your ignorance.
-
- "B" is correct
-
- "C" is not necessarily correct. Although its design is for expulsion of
- feces, in Africa and some South American countries it is the preferred method
- of birth control.
-
- "D" is only true in that homosexual activity (i.e. sex) that can be ob-
- served may be traced to overcrowding etc. We have no way of determining other
- forms of animal homosexual feeling.
-
- "E" and so on allows me to babble. Rationality and love have never been
- quanitified or qualitized like some equation or formula. Whenever you (Phil)
- or Clayton site your anger toward people that are different you take the
- exceptions YOU encounter in the press or scientific world and make it the rule.
- This was done by the NAZI's or many right wing juntas to justify police action.
- Throughout history exceptions have been used to make drastic change.
-
-
- Again and again both you and Clayton try to blame pedophilia and every other
- societal problem on homosexuals. I agree that NAMBLA should not be given
- a place in GAY parades, but it is the few that organize the parades and not
- the whole gay community. Homosexuals do not coerce children. Homosexuals are
- an integral part of our society that has created our society along with
- heterosexuals. If a person is fired simply because the employer does not want
- homosexuals in his/her workplace, then that is a problem that may need legis-
- lation. You can use the false argument that it is there right - but most
- large companies have stipulations in their purchasing agreements and business
- agreements already that they will NOT do business with companies that di-
- scriminate. In places where homosexuals or any other group is discriminated
- against it is the right of people to ensure their rights. Both parties in
- Colorado have the right to enact laws. Every person in this country also has
- to moral obligation to change laws that discriminate.
-
- You (Phil) would say that Homosexuality is not a basis for discrimination
- to be given the same weight as skin color, religion etc.., but the point is
- when a behavior or belief is simply used to terminate the employment of an
- employee because the employer feels uncomfortable, then that is wrong. It
- could be a person with MS, a person with a strong accent or whatever. Society
- is based upon diversity. The Japanese on the west coast to the Rockies had
- their successful business's and homes taken away because people wanted their
- business - this was legislated. Irish were barred from jobs in San Francisco
- in the 1920's.
-
- Unfortunately hatred is a learned trait. If it were genetic it could be ex-
- punged from society. It is obvious that you (Phil) have never wanted to learn
- what homosexuals are as people. And you seem to attack only gay men. I have
- worked with Filipino men who never got raises or promotions. I have worked
- with women that have never gotten pay raises or promotions. It is still a
- white-mans world out there. Discrimination is a tool of the worried and the
- coward.
-
- >I believe Gennifer Flowers.
- >
-
- And I believe Anita Hill
-
-
- Phil Murphy
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