home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
- Path: sparky!uunet!spool.mu.edu!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!orchid.UCSC.EDU!stephen
- From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (x4604 (Hauskins))
- Newsgroups: ba.politics
- Subject: Re: Are they not men?
- Date: 21 Dec 1992 23:34:43 GMT
- Organization: Santa Cruz
- Lines: 34
- Distribution: usa
- Message-ID: <1h5kajINN23t@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
- References: <1992Dec19.121602.4218@netcom.com> <1992Dec21.174121.2890@island.COM> <1992Dec21.220158.4146@netcom.com>
- NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu
-
- In article <1992Dec21.220158.4146@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
- >To sexually
- >grope someone is not an assualt unless there is an intent to bodily harm
- >or it persists after a "no". (Otherwise you have the absurd situation
- >where the very first initiation of petting between two people is an
- >assault).
-
- So Phil, if I just happen to pass by, is the grope free?
-
- >
- >1. Some football jock that came out of the closet writes how after he
- > came out, the other jocks (basically) avoided him in the locker rooms.
- >
- [deleted]
-
- > Now, consider the size and physical shape of a footbal player, I don't
- > think those men were worried that they would be raped/assualted. But they
- > clearly didn't feel "comfortable" around this guy -- their sexual context
- > was being violated.
-
- So what about those many situations where they don't know? You see it all
- boils down to what you know. It is how knowledge tends to manipulate people
- rather than the other way around.
-
- If you don't know something, then you find out later has anything been
- violated. Isn't a violation a condition of knowing what is going on and
- not having it stopped? So before Mr. Football told no one knew the difference
- and no one acted strange.
-
- >
- I see these people who don't know, then do know something and then change
- their behavior as being manipulated by their own reactions, they don't
- think about why they are acting differently, they just react like my cat
- does, when I do something it doesn't find an affinity for.
-