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- Newsgroups: ba.politics
- Path: sparky!uunet!island!guido
- From: guido@island.COM (Guido Marx)
- Subject: Re: Are they not men?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec21.174121.2890@island.COM>
- Sender: usenet@island.COM (The Usenet mail target)
- Organization: Island Graphics Corp. San Rafael, Ca.
- References: <1992Dec17.221302.13988@netcom.com> <1992Dec18.215229.8129@island.COM> <1992Dec19.121602.4218@netcom.com>
- Distribution: usa
- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:41:21 GMT
- Lines: 35
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- In article <1992Dec19.121602.4218@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec18.215229.8129@island.COM> guido@island.COM (Guido Marx) writes:
- > >Second, even if I accept that the story is true, what this
- > >story indicates is NOT that homosexuals shouldn't be in the
- > >Navy, but that the commanding officer on that ship should
- > >have been relieved of duty. He was allowing his men to be
- > >assualted by other men under his command. Clearly a gross
- > >failure of leadership. What if instead of straight men it had
- > >been black sailors being assaulted, or jewish sailors ? Would
- > >that be a reason to exclude whites or gentiles from the Navy
- > >?
- >
- >The issue is NOT about assaults. It is about the right to control the sexual
- >context one is placed in. We do NOT have enlisted men and women sleeping
- >in common bunk rooms and showering in the same showers. Even though the
- >men are NOT going to go crazy and start raping the women the minute they
- >see them naked.
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- I have to disagree - the issue IS about assaults. In the story you quoted,
- the man in question didn't feel threatened until someone made an unwelcome
- physical advance toward him in the middle of the night. The fact that men
- and women don't shower together is simply a matter of societal convention.
- I have lived in dorms where men and women DID share bathrooms and showers.
- Despite what you claim, it wasn't a "sexual context".
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- The fear that these men underwent clearly was a fear of being assaulted,
- not of being placed in an unwanted "sexual context".
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- Guido
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