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- From: ARCHER@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
- Subject: Re: Freedom, Social Responsibility, Individual Responsibility
- Message-ID: <ARCHER.545.725655255@utkvm1.utk.edu>
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- Organization: University of Tennessee
- References: <casseres-231292084333@missmolly.apple.com>
- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:54:15 GMT
-
- In article <casseres-231292084333@missmolly.apple.com> casseres@apple.com (David Casseres) writes:
- >Here's my own biases about helmet laws: I ride a bike a lot, I *always*
- >wear a helmet, I insist that my kid do the same, and I don't think bicycle
- >helmet laws are a very good idea. I rode a motorcycle for many years, I
- >always wore a helmet, I think motorcyclists who ride without helmets are
- >mostly pitiful but occasionally beautiful, and I abstain from having an
- >opinion on motorcycle helmet laws. Okay.
-
- My own bias: I ride a motorcycle, and I have over three-quarters of a
- million miles of pavement behind me. I came from a free state and I live in
- a lid state. I have worn a helmet since the very first of those 750,000
- miles. Anyone who doesn't wear a helmet has mush-for-brains anyway, and I
- fail to see how smacking into the concrete will change them in any way.
-
- >
- >First, just one question for all the ultra-pure Libertarian types who are
- >saying that no government anywhere has any right to tell anyone to wear
- >anything for any reason: Where were all you mighty warriors when they made
- >laws that say we have to wear clothing when we walk around on the street?
-
- I was here, fighting against gun control. I have only so much energy and
- can tilt at only so many windmills. Sorry. I would have voted against it
- had I seen it on a referendum, but I have other fish to fry that are more
- important to me.
-
- >Why aren't you out there bare-ass naked like that guy in Berekeley,
- >protesting stupid laws about apparel and "decency"?
-
- Because it's cold this time of year and I have a pudgy programmer's body
- that embarrasses easily.
-
- > If you aren't going to
- >deal with clothing laws, then your philosophical opposition to helmet laws
- >is purely a hand-job.
-
- Why?
-
- [snip - I agreed with this point, no need to refute it]
-
- >
- >Third, for those who answer the medical-expenses argument by saying
- >helmetless cyclists who bash their brains out should be left on the
- >pavement to die: Get real. This is not going to happen.
-
- Why not?
-
- >And while you're
- >at it, get less disgusting, OK?
-
- It's a legitimate solution. Why skip it?
-
- >
- >Next, a little something for the "I make my personal choice to take the
- >risk of riding without a helmet, and no one can tell me not to" crowd:
- >Maybe you think you know what you're risking, but what if you realize, in
- >that last split-second as your skull heads for the curbstone, that you
- >didn't really know what the hell you were talking about? Mind you, I don't
- >think anyone *should* force you to wear a helmet; it's just that I think
- >some of you may not know what you're talking about.
-
- Maybe, but there is no law against being stupid. The onus is on the
- individual to determing for themselves what they need to believe, not on the
- state to make them do things for thier own good.
-
- >
- >Then there's the Nobody's Business But My Own argument. It's bullshit.
- >Somebody somewhere gives a shit about you and will be hurt if you die, or
- >become a drooling veggie. If it happens because you wouldn't wear a
- >helmet, they'll be real pissed at you too. On the other hand, if there's
- >*really* no one who cares, maybe you should give up cycling for a while and
- >concentrate on getting a life.
-
- This is irrelivant. It's still no one's business but mine if I choose to
- wear a helmet or not. My loved ones are free to persuade me all they want,
- but to have the government coerce me with threats is wrong.
-
- >
- >And finally, let's have some quick Q&A's on three facts that are apparently
- >not well understood:
- >
- >Q: What is the actual risk of suffering a serious head injury while riding
- >my bike without a helmet?
- >
- >A: If you are an adult cyclist with a little experience, the actual risk is
- >very, very small. But remember, the effect can be very, very serious.
-
- I disagree. Sooner or later you are going to dump it, and when you do, you
- will need a helmet.
-
- >
- >Q: So, if I do get into one of those rare accidents that threaten a head
- >injury, how much difference does it make if I'm wearing a helmet?
- >
- >A: Nobody knows, and that's the truth.
- >
- I do. There is no doubt in my mind that I am alive today because I was
- wearing a helmet.
-
-
- >Q: If we have a helmet law and I don't wear a helmet, how likely is it that
- >I'll be punished for it?
- >
- >A: Well, right now it's illegal for bicyclists (and cars) to run stop
- >signs; and bicycles (and cars) almost always run stop signs if they feel
- >they can do it safely; and they practically never get a ticket for it. So
- >figure it out for yourself, and ask yourself whether it's worth your while
- >to get all lathered up about helmet laws destroying your fundamental
- >liberties.
-
- The principle is not whether or not the law is enforceable (and here in
- Tenn., believe me, it IS) but whether or not it is Constituional, morally
- right, or a good idea.
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