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- From: META <META@UNB.CA>
- Subject: Re: Stupid Marshall/Bassman tricks???
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- Organization: The University of New Brunswick
- References: <1992Dec17.175025.12741@verity.com> <mike.18@vm1.mcgill.ca> <20DEC92.18817612.0180@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> <1992Dec21.200303.2246@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:53:05 GMT
-
- META (that's me) wrote:
- >> Actually, the two channels on the Bassman appear to have exactly the
- >> same amount of gain. What differs between them is that one has a
- >> bypass capacitor hard-wired to the volume control to give a "bright"
- >> channel instead of a a normalchannel with a bright switch, while the
- >> other one has no such capacitor - a normal channel with the bright
- >> switch "off". The two channels are mixed together at the next stage
- >> before going to the tone controls.
- >>
- >> I stumbled onto the patching trick about 20 years ago with another
- >> amp that shall remain nameless, butalso had 4 jacks. The net effect
- >> is to get a beefier sound since there is some high end loss
- >> resulting from "passive y-ing" of the signal. If one used an active
- >> splitter box and fed each channel separately, you could get the
- >> overdrive benefits without the high end loss. In the case of the
- >> Bassman, depending on which channel, bright or normal, is treated as
- >> theprimary channel, this high end lossmay be offset to some degree.
- >>
- >> A more elegant solution is to use an active splitter (e.g., the Spluffer
- >> from Craig Anderton's EPFM book, available from PAiA, is a decent
- >> littleunit). I built one for a friend using an early 60's Strat and
- >> late 60's Super Reverb, so that he could select one orthe other
- >> channel remotely. The splitter also buffered the highimpedance
- >> output ofthe guitar so thathe got a much crisper single-coil sound
- >> than he had gotten before. Highly recommended!
- >>
- >> Some players do "the Bassman trick" across amps as well. If memory
- >> serves, before wehad Bob Bradshaws in the world, people like Jimi
- >> and Pete would simply run guitar cords from the extra input jack to
- >> the next Marshall head over, and daisy chain 'em. A little voice
- >> inside of me,however, says this is not likely the safest, or most
- >> hum free arrangement, although it will do in a pinch. Bear in mind,
- >> though,that theBassman trick results in two input channels bearing
- >> down on the same mixer while the Jimi trick sends the same inputto
- >> another head. A quick glance at the schematic indicates that the
- >> signal available at the extra jack is attenuated, relative to the
- >> primary one. Maybe this is where Steve gets the 6db difference
- >> from. The gain structure of each channel is identical, but the signal
- >> each is receiving, using the patch cord trick, is not.
- >>
- >> Mark Hammer
- >>
- >
- > The 6db came from the manual included with the amp. Input 1
- > of both the Normal and Bright channel have 6db more gain than
- > input 2. The 6db is also mentioned in "Fender Frontier" Magazine.
- > The Fender Frontier is kinda like the Peavey Monitor. The Fender
- > mag answers questions from us pee-ons. Back in the summer they
- > ran a little "tips" section for Bassman owners.
- >
- > The Bassman manual supply's a schematic. It also describes that
- > as shipped the amp is over 60watts. The manual also tells you
- > what to do to get down into the 50watt and 40watt range. It explains
- > the diff between the sound of a solid state and a tube rectifier.
- >
- > Steve
- > Doin That Blues ThAng!
- >.
- >.
- Thanks for the clarrification Steve. It would seem that "vintage"
- remakes are not so vintage after all. Looking at the schematic for
- the *real* 1959 Bassman (which the remake purports to be a remake
- of), thereis simply NO difference between the channels all the way
- from the input jacks to the mixing stage OTHER than the presnce of a
- "bright" capacitoron the volume control of the "bright" channel.
- Again, while this may add more perceivable loudness at the same
- volume setting, I wouldn't exactly term it a 6db difference in gain.
- I also took a peak at the Fender article, and it strikes me that
- what Fender may have done is stuck in a 12AX7 in place of the 12AY7
- in the first pre-amp stage, and perhaps stuck an attenuating circuit
- ahead of that to give differential signal levels from each channel.
- I'm guessing here, but it strikes me as a likely change, since it
- would not result in a drastic overhaul of the original design, and
- plays up to the market pressures for at least one higher gain
- channel for overdriven sounds.
-
- Incidentally, if the 4 inputs are of no use to you, you can always
- take one out and wire in a switch to turn the bright off and on. On
- theother hand, I suppose that 1meg push-pull switching pots must be
- available from somewhere, and would let you keep your 4 inputs while
- being able to switch the brightness in or out.
-
- (Incidentally, for an inhouse publication, the Fender mag isn't that
- bad actually. I find it reasonably informative, and amazingly
- common sense in orientation.)
-
- Mark Hammer (Doing that thesis thang)
-
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