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- From: gazit@duke.cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit)
- Newsgroups: alt.feminism,soc.men
- Subject: Re: Damned Souls (was Re: Version Five)
- Message-ID: <725509230@lear.cs.duke.edu>
- Date: 28 Dec 92 02:20:31 GMT
- References: hjm5uINNgml@agate.berkeley.edu> <1hkqjdINNj7d@agate.berkeley.edu>
- Reply-To: gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel)
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- The following article was rejected from soc.feminism.
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- In article <1hkqjdINNj7d@agate.berkeley.edu>
- levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine) writes:
-
- >>Hillel, can you really deny that people in this culture fall too quickly
- >>for a slick sound byte? That they too often evaluate a situation by
- >>appearances, and do not take the time to find out what is really
- >>happening?
-
- Tell me Lenore, what will be your response to someone who questions
- your experiences using a language like:
-
- #Lenore, can you really deny that people in this culture fall too quickly
- #for a slick sound byte? That they too often evaluate a situation by
- #appearances, and do not take the time to find out what is really
- #happening?
-
- Do you want people to talk to you using such a tone?
-
- >Some company (department, agency) wishes to hire a token woman (black,
- >disabled, etc.) to show off how wonderful they are. Therefore, they
- >don't pick any of the well-qualified white males available for this
- >position. However, they don't pick the *best-qualified* woman. Instead,
- >they pick a woman who makes a good photo op -- attractive, smiling and
- >noncontroversial.
-
- It certainly happens, and the Old Boys can get away with that, because
- the deal you (liberals and feminists) offered to them. Affirmative
- action is a deal that tells them "hire enough women and minorities
- and then nobody will be able to sue you about discrimination."
-
- They took the deal, and that was dirty act on their part.
-
- You offered the deal, and defended it for 20 years as "equality,"
- and this is even a dirtier act your part.
-
- >Let me add -- that as a middle-aged curmudgeon, I think my chances of
- >being hired as anyone's token are slimmer than a snowball's in hell.
- >(Not to worry though; I suspect I'll do just fine on my own merits.)
-
- Don't be so sure on both counts.
-
- >Lenore Levine
-
- Hillel gazit@cs.duke.edu
-
- "...13 of 17 valedictorians in Boston high schools last spring were immigrants
- or children of immigrants." -- US. News & World Report, May 14, 1990
-