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- From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
- Subject: Re: Working with Women vs. Working with Men
- Message-ID: <1992Dec24.162523.8685@netcom.com>
- Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
- References: <1992Dec23.190432.29510@cs.cornell.edu> <1992Dec23.203358.7692@wam.umd.edu> <ZEN.92Dec23161814@death.corp.sun.com>
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- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 16:25:23 GMT
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- In article <ZEN.92Dec23161814@death.corp.sun.com> zen@death.corp.sun.com (d) writes:
- >
- >In article <1992Dec23.203358.7692@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
- > In article <1992Dec23.190432.29510@cs.cornell.edu> jean@cs.cornell.edu (Jean M. Petrosino) writes:
- >> >When in doubt, quote the superiority of capitalism and Darwin's
- >> >survival of the fittest theory.
- >> It works. That's a lot more than I can say for alternative
- >> theories.
- >
- > So you're saying that if I come up to you and blow you away with a
- >shotgun, then you were just unfit to live (survival of the fittest and
- >all, ya know)?
-
- This does not follow. It would perhaps follow that you were 'fitter',
- or more fit to live. This is quite different from "unfit to live".
- Survival of the fittest is not a binary model with those fit to
- live, and those unfit to live, but a relative model, whichever is
- fittest will survive.
-
- > *You* may call that working, but not me (well, if it
- >happened to you, I might make an exception), at least, not as a viable
- >ethical and/or human solution.
-
- Some would call it misrepresentation, a reprehensible crime punishable
- by incessant flamage and blaming. I think that it is the case that
- clear communication is not happening. The above text might be interpreted
- as putting words in Yamanari's mouth as well, which is also frowned upon.
-
- > Of course, if morals/ethics don't matter
- >to you, alt.feminism might not be where you belong... of course, this
- >planet might not be either...
-
- I'd say that with the wide variation of what people consider ethical/
- moral that the above could apply just about anywhere, and to both sides
- of any argument. And many ethics are culture bound. By the above logic
- one might conclude that they have a right to evict the Islam nations from
- the planet for unethical/immoral social behavior.
-
- > But I'd say that pure capitalism and darwinism work about as well in
- >practice as pure communism and dworkinism.
-
- Pure Darwinanian evolution is only used by the creationists anymore, and
- mostly as a straw man, because few creationists understand the arguments
- that they use. (there are notable exceptions, but the vast majority that
- I have traded posts with post arguments from religious anti-evolution
- books that they do not understand, and probably do not care to understand)
-
- As for Dworkinism, I guess Canada will be a test case.
-
- > -- d
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