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- From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
- Subject: Re: Working with Women vs. Working with Men
- Message-ID: <1992Dec23.181857.29640@wam.umd.edu>
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- References: <1992Dec23.170637.24982@cs.cornell.edu>
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- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:18:57 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec23.170637.24982@cs.cornell.edu> jean@cs.cornell.edu (Jean M. Petrosino) writes:
- >Robert Stephen Rodgers sums it up in the following statements:
- > The effort has been made a number of times and failed.
- > Frankly, I don't much care about having happy-fun communication--
- > it's not the job we're supposed to be doing.
- >
- >>Okay, Mr. Serious.<
-
-
- Damn straight. I suppose the world is all flowers and shiny
- for you when your ass is on the line to get something done
- and your partner is doing their best to prevent it?
-
-
- >me> "...but your partner insists on PLAYING with a thesaurus
- >me> and PRETTYFYING all of what you're writing instead of aiding
- >me> the task at hand...After an hour or two, you're liable to
- >me> strangle them so that they'll SHUT UP long enough for you to
- >me> think."
- >>
- >>( I think your paralelling women with children who need to be (physically)
- >> shut up is a nice touch.)
- >
- > Come off it. Is your reading level really that low?
- >
- >Are you really so simple as to not consider the language that
- >you use? I suppose you paralell black men with children as well.<
-
-
- Sigh. Another new low. Boy, you are just sinking quicker and
- quicker. Answer the analogy. If you call the behavior I described
- "acting like children" then fine--so be it. I can't work
- with children.
-
-
- >> to getting the job done."
- >>
- >>(...by your guidelines and time-table.)
- >
- >
- > Well, since that's all there is (they seem unable to make
- > guidelines or a timetable for themselves that they're willing to
- > stick to--and this includes timetables made as a team) that's
- > the way it'll have to be.
- >
- >What would we do without men like you who will take charge when
- >us women just can't seem to get it together?<
-
-
- Who knows? You're free to venture a guess.
-
- >> "It is *not* a power issue."
- >(...that you are willing to see, discuss, or begin to understand.)
- >
- >
- > Ah, the cry of the pathetic. "You don't understand"
- > It is not my job to constantly make every effort to understand
- > a group that refuses to be honest and up-front about what
- > it is you're trying to do. It is not *my* job to try and
- > make efforts to understand and empathize a process that fails
- > to get the job done.
- >--
- >And I suppose it is also not your job to understand anyone or
- >anything that does not center upon your 'needs.'<
-
-
- Come off it. Should I make the effore to "understand" and
- "workwith" someone elses methods when they wont lift a finger
- to do the same? Hell no. Women deserveno more slack than
- anyone else and I think it's pretty sexist of you to
- suggest otherwise.
-
-
- >Calling someone pathetic implys they want your sympathy. EMPATHY
- >is what I give, and what I ask for.<
-
-
- The hell it does. Calling someone pathetic means just that:
- pathetic. It doesn't imply jack about what *they* want, it
- implys how you feel. Disgusting lack of self control comes
- to mind, as well, when I think of the type of person we are
- discussing--does that imply that they want my disgust?
-
- Empathy my wazoo. empathy doesn't have jack to do with
- getting a project done.
-
- > " Equality is a delusion."
- > Translation: Suck it up.
-
- Translation: Take everything away from everybody and put
- them all in the same environment. Some will succeed, some
- will sink.
-
-
- --
- "If you can't eat sand, why the hell are you living in a desert?"
- Equality is a delusion.
- Rule 1: "Don't have more children than you can feed."
- Nuclear redevelopment for a better world!
-