NetNews Usenet Archive 1992 #31/NN_1992_31.iso/spool/alt/feminism/6398

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From: [e-mail] (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: Why are many low-income women fat? (was Re: Separate but Equal?)
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:22:25 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Yamanari) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Lenore Levine) writes:
>>>Wonderful, I am happy for you. I am not fat, and also look a lot younger
>>>than I am (it seems to be about 10-12 years, people often ask when I seem
>>>too knowledgable and experienced my visual age, I have started asking for
>>>their guess as a condition for an answer), so this looks more like a
>>>matter of genetics. I am curious as to wether it means that one will live
>>>longer as well.
>
>
>    Hate to burst your bubble, but I wouldn't put too much
>    faith in this "I look younger than I am bit".  *Especially*
>    if such comments are coming from men.

actually, I suspect you misunderstand the circumstances above. I do not
feel like pasting them in again, feel free to reread.

>    Early on, lesse--it must have been 13 or 14 for me--most
>    men learn to li --*always*--to women about certain subjects.

really?

>    Even if the question is asked with a "Tell me the truth"
>    or whatever, the best answer (that is, the only answer) is
>    probably going to be a lie.  Girl younger than 20?  Tell her
>    you thought she was 3 to 8 years older.  Over 30?  Tell her
>    she looks in her twenties.

they say -everybody- lies about sex.

>    What has always gotten me is that people are stupid enough
>    to fall for it.  Not that it's only women who buy into it--
>    lord knows enough of my friends have announced proudly that their
>    girlfriends thought (ha ha) that they were older than they actually
>    are--but the absolute "lowness" displayed tends to be much
>    greater for my female friends.  They'll swallow just about
>    anything (i.e. "Oh, I thought you were 20!" to a 15 year old..)
>    and then *brag about it* to all of their friends.
>
>    Generally, I find this good laughing material.  It pisses
>    me off when people try to pull the same thing with me, and
>    I refuse to answer such questions.
>
>    Now, if you're hitting that F key to flame me and tell me that
>    men shouldn't be lying in these situations, I put forth
>    two truths:

so that's what the F key is about...  :^}

>    1) Women say the same things to men.  Both sexes play the
>    game not just with age, but with looks ("Oh, I'd never want
>    someone like *that*"), fashion ("that looks great on you!")
>    personality (you're so interesting, so funny, so deep, whatever)
>    and so on.
>
>    2) Women (people, actually) who pose such questions as
>     "How old do I _really_ look?" are *begging* to be lied
>    to.  Truth is not expected.  Just try answering one of these
>    nitwits honestly and see what kind of answer you get.

what about when others ask how old you are, rather than teling you
how old you look?

>    Fact is, people DO, with *very few exceptions* (supermodels
>    come to mind) look their age.  Anyone who tells you otherwise,
>    carefully consider (that is, honestly consider) how honest
>    that statement is.

You are forgetting movie stars, who spend a great deal of time, effort,
and money on maintaining their appearance. With the possible exceptions
of Columbo and Roxanne that is. :^)

>>Of course not. But I understand from sci.math that appearance
>>discrimination against women *is* an issue. This newsgroup carried a
>>posting from a male mathematician. He was *extremely* upset, because,
>>in his role of evaluating job applications, he had received a
>>letter from a colleague, asking him to take on the "mission" of
>>finding out whether a female mathematician was cute or not!

Mixed attributes here..., actually above, but lenore did make a
similar statement.

Was this for a job interview or job related? Or because someone was
interested in meeting someone else?

>    The same occurs for men.  It is well known that
>    appearance has a great deal of affect on how well one
>    succeeds in life.  It's not a discrimination thing, it's
>    a human thing.  As far as I can tell, the only way to
>    solve it would be to put everyones eyes out at birth.
>
>    We judge *everything* by appearance--not just people.  Most
>    people eat attractively prepared food despite the fact that

How does one get judged on the net, by the appearance of the text?

>    it has little or nothing to do with taste or flavor (which
>    is clearly more important).  People prefer attractively styled
>    furniture no matter how much more comfortable ratty looking
>    chair might be.
>
>--
>    "If you can't eat sand, why the hell are you living in a desert?"
>
>         Rule 1:  "Don't have more children than you can feed."
>            Nuclear redevelopment for a better world!


Rich

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