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- From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
- Subject: Re: I'm So Confused
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.181104.294@netcom.com>
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- References: <1992Dec16.033321.23119@news.cs.brandeis.edu> <1992Dec20.165650.21611@netcom.com> <michael.724959352@glia>
- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:11:04 GMT
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- In article <michael.724959352@glia> michael@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Michael) writes:
- >In <1992Dec20.165650.21611@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
- >>In article <1992Dec16.033321.23119@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st890674@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
- >>>Having a man find you attractive should not entail being sexually harassed.
- >>>"Nice tits (ass, etc.) is not an example of someone trying to tell you you're
- >>>attractive, but trying to tell you "I have power over you, to demean you
- >>>and humiliate you."
- >
- >>This absolutely does not follow.
- >
- >Well actually it does. Certainly one can compliment another's body
- >in a good way. But done in an inappropriate way it can certainly mean
- >what st890674 above said.
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- The distinction is between "can" and 'does'.
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- >For one, if you talk to a relative stranger, that is considered
- >inappropriate. In that case, its rude and would qualify as what this
- >person said.
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- There is a HELL of a difference between being rude, and 'trying to tell
- you "I have power over you, to demean you and humiliate you"'. They are
- not equivalant.
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- >Another example is your choice of words. Even with close friends, using
- >the wrong words (which depends on the people involved) can be rude and
- >mean what the person above suggested.
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- You have dealt with rudeness, but you have yet to show that this equates
- to a claim of "I have power over you, to demean you and humiliate you".
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- >So, it DOES follow -- just not necesarily in all cases. Probably it
- >only follows in 90% of the cases? :)
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- If it follows conditionally (which you did not actually show) then it does
- not "follow". If it follows, it is always the case.
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- > Michael Stanley (michael@glia.biostr.washington.edu)
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- Rich
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- payner@netcom.com
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