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- From: mjharris@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Harris)
- Subject: Re: LSD and alcoholism
- Message-ID: <1992Dec28.052443.18843@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
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- Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
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- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 05:24:43 GMT
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- jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:
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- >mjharris@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Harris) writes:
-
- >>True but it might make them discover it (life) for the first time and stop
- >>fucking with it in stupid ways.
-
- > Yes, they MIGHT. However, Petrus was IMHO exaggerating the benefits of LSD
- >in treatment of alcoholism. And the fact that administering psychedelics can
- >make matters worse for some simply cannot be overly stressed.
-
- >>Leary claims an 80% recidivism rate for prisoners (many of them violent) who
- >>underwent his LSD prison therapy program. The normal rate for that prison was
- >>20 percent (80% came back).
-
- > Uncle Timmy has made enough ridiculous claims to warrant my suspicion. I'm
- >not saying it isn't true, just being sceptical. By the way, I am under the
- >impression that the drug used in this case was psilocybin.
-
- Well I don't believe Leary all the time because I know he has a real bent
- toward exaggeration however I also know that he is a genuinely good guy
- who honestly believes what he says. Besides every new idea sounds
- rediculous at first. Leary never once had in all the times he turned on
- and turned others on the kind of decapacitating effects you describe.
- That's not to say they don't happen of course. Set and setting *really is*
- important. The drug used -according to Leary (Flashbacks) was LSD.
-
- >>Also his alcholic LSD therapy treatments were allegedly totally effective
- >>50 % of the time. If only AA worked so well.
-
- > Again, I am under the impression that the AA experimented with LSD during
- >its early days - and also that they abandoned it long before it was banned.
-
- Given AA's approach to alcoholism that wouldn't be a big surprise.
-
- >>to attribute all of these results to LSD. But anytime you form emotional
- >>bonds with people that really care about you (and LSD aids this immensely)
-
- > Now, does it? This wouldn't be an individual thing, by any chance? I know
- >enough people who have had emotionally crippling experiences with LSD to be
- >highly sceptical. Many of these people were too smart and knowing to take the
- >drug irresponsibly or casually.
- >--
- >Jani Heinonen jah@mits.mdata.fi Finger for PGP key
-
- Well I don't know. Maybe it is personal. What do other netters experience
- tell them? I mean I've just sort of taken this for granted as being part
- of the LSD experience.
-
- --
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