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- From: (null pointer)@symphony.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling)
- Subject: Re: "Drugs" threaten democracy in former Soviet Union
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- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 12:46:30 GMT
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- In article <62937@mimsy.umd.edu> tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:
- >billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
- >>
- >>: I think that for property crimes anyway, they should get time taken off
- >>: only if and when they fully repay their victim for all damages (like
- >>: half off). Whether they get this money from making shoes in prison
- >>: or by borrowing it all from a relative is not important. Making the
- >>: victim whole again financialy is the most important goal.
- >>
- >>Agreed.
- >
- > Wonderful. A criminal justice system that discriminates even more
- >between rich and poor. No thank you.
- >
- Is it just me, or does it also seem to others that if you focused
- more on making the PERPETRATOR financially whole when he got out of
- prison would decrease repeat crime rates radically.
- I guess that, no matter how much Les Mis tours, people will still
- not get the point that most people STEAL because the economy is too
- FUCKED to let everybody have a reasonable chance at a decent life. People
- don't just rob banks for the hell of it, they do it because they NEED MONEY.
- Maybe they need money because they are addicted to an illegal drug.
- If they decriminalized or even legalized the drugs, people would
- need less money for them. That might put a damper on that.
- Others mug or steal because they have to pay RENT. If there were
- legal restrictions on how much landlords could charge for rent, or on how
- zoning worked to KEEP slums from forming rather than ENCOURAGING them to
- form by just "dropping all those (snide voice) POOR PEOPLE into some less
- noticeable neighborhood where we won't have to look at them." And if
- there were LESS government restrictions (the need for special licensing,
- getting a location in a correctly zoned area, etc...) on forming small
- businesses, plus more FEDERAL AID to help these businesses get started
- there might be more jobs and less need to spend as much on either LAW
- ENFORCEMENT OR WELFARE.
- If the government needs more money to initiate any of this stuff,
- simple... TAX THE FUCKING CHURCHES. Tax them all fairly, just like a
- company and do not bias according to religion or denomination. The local
- southern baptists would pay the same amount as the moslem sanctuary,
- bahai temple, synagogue, or wiccan coven. Give unto caesar what is caesars.
- Hell, that's how you could pay for the prisons. Most religions
- believe that "evildoers" should be rehabilitated, and they would just be
- "donating" their moneys to help out their world. In return, let them ditribute
- their literature (all of them, no christian chauvinism, now) in the prisons
- and talk with the prisoners freely. Maybe if the prisoners leave with
- SOMETHING to believe in (certainly not the government) they would have
- half a chance.
- Besides, this might get some of those damn televengelists off TV.
- As far as work camps go, pay the rpisoners full fledged wages.
- Not only might this get them used to earning their money AND give them
- a reference (picture prison as a refernce... heh!) but they'd have money
- when they got out and not be desperate and inclined to go rob a 7-11 as
- soon as they leave. They could get an apartmant and a car and go out looking
- for a job. Maybe even get a life. Besides, actually having something to look
- forward to when they leave JUST MIGHT encourage them!
- This might make them feel human and get rid of (or tone down) the
- perpetual dog-eat-dog adolescent wet-dream society that usually thrives in
- prisons.
- If you did take any off the top from their earnings, use it to pay
- government sanctioned prostitutes to keep them happy at least once a month
- so they don't get out as sexually frustated as most fundamentalist preachers
- nowadays. (the only problem with this is the possibility that some might
- want in if they find that they CAN'T get it outside)
- It might also cut down on prison rape and STDs in prison, as the
- slammerhookers would be tested, of course.
- (this last should apply equally to womens and mens prisons, reagrdless
- of the possible supposition that only womens (or mens) were singled out in
- this case.)
- On the other hand, for various reasons, refuse to allow prisoners to
- watch television. They might not leave prison living as a SPECTATOR like
- most of the rest of this world. Or they might just really want out to see
- some.
- And give them PETS. If they learn to deal with animals, it's a start
- at learning to deal with PEOPLE.
-
- Just my 2 shilling tirade.
- Sean
-