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- From: jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer)
- Subject: Re: _Jesus: A Life_ by A.N. Wilson
- Message-ID: <1993Jan04.032608.4183@microsoft.com>
- Date: 04 Jan 93 03:26:08 GMT
- Organization: Microsoft Corporation
- References: <1992Dec28.053547.18160@cs.ucla.edu> <C06rEv.Hor.1@cs.cmu.edu>
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- In article <C06rEv.Hor.1@cs.cmu.edu> tp0x+@cs.cmu.edu (Thomas Price) writes:
- >>Some quotes from Larry Stammer, ``Not the Stuff of Sermons'', Los
- >>Angeles Times Book Review, Sunday, December 20, 1992, pp. 2,4. The
- >>article is a review of the book _Jesus: A Life_ by A.N. Wilson (W.W.
- >>Norton: $22.95; 256 pp.).
- >>
- >> "+ The resurrection is a `whopping lie.' The Risen Christ, as
- >> opposed to the historical Jesus, is `an invention of Paul's
- >> religious genius.'
- >>
- >
- >I find this the most interesting. How does Paul's genius account for the
- >resurrection stories in the gospels? Are they supposed to have been
- >added much later?
-
- Okay, I don't have my NT textbooks & notes handy, but I specifically
- recall that the epistles (including Paul's) were written before the
- gospels.
-
- ie, Paul very likely had some influence on the gospels.
-
- [note also that the gospels were written for Christians - not to
- create Christians. Acts and the epistles indicate that the
- early converts were created by preaching of the resurrection &
- the signs of the Spirit, not by the gospels.]
-
- [...]
-
- >> "+ Jesus' prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane, asking God to spare
- >> him from the cup of death but nonetheless bowing to God's will,
- >> is a literary creation. If Jesus prayed while his disciples
- >> slept, who jotted down a transcript of the conversation?"
- >
- >An alternative explanation is divine inspiration, which is supposedly the
- >method of composition of the book. Consequently, this observation is
- >not independently significant: it is subordinate to the result of inquiry
- >about inspiration, and can add nothing nor take anything away from
- >that debate.
-
- Note also that if Jesus prayed all night, he had a lot of space between
- the words [ie if you read Jesus' words aloud, it doesn't take long].
- Very likely that Jesus' disciples remembered what they heard him say
- before they nodded off. [This is not to discount divine inspiration and
- guidance; rather an alternative thought.]
-
- -jen
-