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- From: Morgan Burke <morgan@sitka.triumf.ca>
- Newsgroups: alt.atheism.moderated
- Subject: Re: FAQ critique
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- Date: 21 Dec 1992 21:34:17 GMT
- References: <1992Dec17.153412.20113@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <1992Dec17.22015 <1992Dec21.134412.29629@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
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- In article <1992Dec21.134412.29629@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jkopersk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey D Koperski) writes:
- [quoting Thomas Kuhn, _The Structure of Scientific Revolutions_]
- "An apparently abitrary element, compounded of personal and historical
- accident, is always a formative ingredient of the beliefs espoused by a given
- scientific community at a given time. . . . When examining normal science . .
- . we shall want finally to describe that research as a strenuous and devoted
- attempt to force nature into the conceptual boxes suplied by professional
- education."
-
- This is not a very interesting quote to me. Is this statement supposed to
- be shocking or surprising? All he is saying is that scientists check to see
- if the data fit the model. If Kuhn wants to call it attempting "to force
- nature into the conceptual boxes supplied by professional education," he can,
- but it's still science, pure and unblemished. How else are researchers
- supposed to find out whether something makes sense and is consistent with
- what they already know? It's when nature doesn't fit into these conceptual
- boxes that science gets really interesting.
-
- The great fallacy is thinking that science tells us what is truth. This
- is completely wrong. It tells us the exact opposite: what is not truth.
- In other words, it gives us the means to discover which models are
- wrong, not which model is right.
-
- |> The fact that
- |> non-rational forces are at work in shaping the beliefs and theories of the
- |> scientific community is not a "problem" for that community. Such forces are
- |> at work in every discipline. The point being, as usual, is that theology is
- |> not intrinsically worse off because of these non-rational pressures.
- |> We're all in the same boat on this one.
-
- The process of inventing a model to explain the data can be very non-rational,
- and based on prejudice, ignorance, common-sense, and religion. The invention
- of a model is not science, however, so comparisons with theology (or any other
- branch of philosophy) aren't going to be very helpful.
-
- You aren't doing science until you start testing the model empirically, a
- concept which is completely foreign to theology.
-
- Theology attempts to decide what is true, by non-rational means.
- Science, on the other hand, decides what is false, by rational means.
- The idea that science reveals truth is indeed non-rational, and if you
- once believed it, it is not surprising that your faith was shaken.
-
- -- Morgan Burke
- morgan@sitka.triumf.ca
-
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