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- From: bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick)
- Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity,talk.abortion,alt.child-support,alt.dads-right
- Subject: Re: The EVIL Conspiracy behind this "Men's Choice" thing...
- Message-ID: <NqkTwB1w165w@dogear.spk.wa.us>
- Date: 3 Jan 93 21:11:58 GMT
- References: <1993Jan3.163142.18210@news.columbia.edu>
- Organization: Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA
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- rj24@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert Johnston) writes:
-
- > First of all, the man DID have a choice. He could have not had sex.
- > He could have properly used a condom and spermacide. Key word here is
- > PROPERLY. This would reduce the chances of pregnancy to about once
- > in a couple of hundred years.
-
- Well, maybe 'one out of a few hundred sexual unions' would be a better
- analogy, but your point is valid.
-
- > Secondly, the mans payments are quite proportionate to the level of
- > his choice involved. Let us suppose that the mother spends 40 hours a
- > week raising her child. Let us suppose she deserves a decent salary for
- > such work,20 dollars an hour. She will spend several thousand dollars
- > a year on material items for the child. All told, perhaps $40,000 worth
- > of goods and labor each year go into raising the child. At a few hundred
- > a month, the fathers burden can hardly be called disproportionate.
-
- Whoa! You represent this as if a man has a duty to pay a woman for her
- part in a mutual decision. The man's payments and the woman's time and
- other costs are each the burdens they bear by their choices. A parent
- who sues for, and gains sole custody has made another choice, and that
- choice is to raise the child --thus promising that time you want them
- paid for.
-
- IF joint physical custody was offered to the man, and he refused it, then
- an assessment for things which should normally be discretionary would be
- an acceptable adjunct.
-
- In no way, though, should a man (or NCP) have to pay the other parent for
- their time. All dollars should be spent on the child. If anything is left
- over (and it usually is because support is income-derived instead of need-
- derived), then that should be spent on extra clothing, pets, sports, vac-
- ations, and or any of the other accoutrements of childhood.
-
- If the law didn't add fudge factors for discretionary items, and it does
- in MANY states (the income model has it built in), then more kids would
- get to see that their non-custodial parents do give a rip about their
- pleasures, and not assume that all NCPs don't care --an image that seems
- to prevail, and likely because of the gross unfairness of it when they
- don't care. (See the Pre-Sex Contract. ugh).
-
- It's time for people to quit believing that a divorce between parents
- is a divorce of the kids too. The facts are, those are a tiny minority
- of cases.
-
- ---
- Bob Kirkpatrick <bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us>
- Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA
-