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- From: gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
- Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity,soc.men,soc.women,talk.abortion,alt.feminism
- Subject: Re: Reproductive Technologies... (was: Re: Father Notification...)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan3.163403.15205@panix.com>
- Date: 3 Jan 93 16:34:03 GMT
- References: <C08KKH.I1o@ddsw1.mcs.com> <1993Jan2.210817.10907@panix.com> <C09ErA.53t@ddsw1.mcs.com>
- Organization: mydog in exile
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- karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) proposed "affirmative
- action" in custody cases.
-
- gf:
- | >However, what I was thinking of was this: insisting that
- | >49% of custody go to men may run into the question of
- | >whether 49% of the men _want_ custody. Considering the
- | >implacable resistance to paying child support shown here
- | >and elsewhere, I have the idea that a good many men might
- | >not consider your proposal a boon if the luck of the draw
- | >smiled upon them. Take care: you may be giving ideas to
- | >the devious witches on NOW's General Staff for yet
- | >another plot.
-
- kd:
- | Yeah, we're upset about the idea of child support.
- |
- | Particularly when "support" is grossly in excess of what is required to
- | support and raise a child, and is another name for alimony.
-
- Do you have figures on this? Over the last twenty years,
- I've known many people paying or receiving child support,
- but in most cases the support was somewhat less than what
- it would take to raise a child in roughly the same standard
- of living the parents were used to. Avoid anecdotal
- evidence, however; we can both supply that, but you are
- making a positive implication that a great injustice is
- going on, and need more than anecdotes to back it up.
-
- kd:
- | ...
- | Particularly when, should the man complain, she can simply use the "nuclear
- | bomb" of child custody disputes, sexual abuse allegations, and >even if they
- | are false and baseless< walk away scott free -- with the kids -- while the
- | man is ruined not only personally for financially as well.
-
- You've been making this charge as well, but as yet you have
- not offered any evidence that I have seen. Again, an
- anecdote or two will not do; you are asserting that it is
- a general problem.
-
- kd:
- | (Feminists, don't bother saying "but some men have custody". 90% of men in
- | this situation do not have >meaningful< custody or contact, but they do
- | seem to have the bills.)
- |
- | Yeah, men are upset.
- |
- | I suspect that if men had their kids, and were the ones receiving the
- | support checks, you'd hear a lot fewer complaints.
-
- I've seen no evidence of any of this. Where do you
- get your information?
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