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- Path: sparky!uunet!psinntp!scylla!daryl
- From: daryl@oracorp.com (Daryl McCullough)
- Subject: Re: QM non-causal?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec12.220517.12687@oracorp.com>
- Organization: ORA Corporation
- Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:05:17 GMT
- Lines: 51
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- larsj@kih.no@kih (larsj.johansen) writes:
-
- >>Quantum mechanics predicts that, in the EPR
- >>experiment, if one experimenter measures spin-up for his particle,
- >>then the other experimenter will measure spin-down with probability
- >>cos^2(theta/2). Where does the assumption of collapse come in?
- >>It is definitely not necessary for experimenter A to assume that the
- >>measurement performed by experimenter B collapses the wave function
- >>in order to derive this probability.
- >
- >Well, there is a collapse in the sense that the wave function CHANGES
- >INSTANTLY (in fact, in the whole universe!) because of the first
- >measurement. Namely, the wavefunction |psi> collapses to one of the
- >eigenstates
- >
- > |psi> = |+>|+> + |->|-> -----> |psi> = |+>|+>
-
- I disagree. There is no reason for experimenter A to assume that B's
- measurement has this effect. Experimenter A can treat B as any other
- quantum system.
-
- >This sort of collapse will of course also take place in a classical
- >probabilistic theory.
-
- That is not true, either. In classical probability theory, we each
- have our own, subjective notions of probability. A measurement
- performed by you does not affect *my* personal probability
- distributions.
-
- >Lets say that your neigbour throws a coin, and
- >depending on the result he travels either to Australia or stays home.
- >Your probability density of his position will then have peaks in
- >Australia and in your neighbours house. If you go over to his house, the
- >probability density will COLLAPSE. The collapse, however, does not imply
- >any nonlocal effects.
-
- In this case, the "collapse" occurs when I go into his house. It does
- not occur when my neighbor throws the dice (or when he looks at the
- dice). That was my point, that in the EPR experiment, there is no need
- to assume that the other experimenter's measurements collapse *my*
- wave function.
-
- >In the same vein, COLLAPSE in the QM-wavefunction does not AUTOMATICALLY
- >imply nonlocal effects.
-
- It depends on whether the wave function is a physical quantity, or
- a subjective quantity.
-
- Daryl McCullough
- ORA Corp.
- Ithaca, NY
-