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- From: palmer@sfu.ca (Leigh Palmer)
- Subject: Re: Metals in liquid Nitrogen !!
- Message-ID: <1992Dec11.195240.7014@sfu.ca>
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- Organization: Simon Fraser University
- References: <10DEC199219275429@trentu.ca>
- Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:52:40 GMT
- Lines: 51
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- In article <10DEC199219275429@trentu.ca> lchardon@trentu.ca (PETIT PAPA NOEL.)
- writes:
-
- > In my thermodynamics class, we were all happily playing with liquid
- >nitrogen, freezing squash balls, making erasers explode (BTW, why do
- >plastic erasers explode when in liquid nitrogen?) and all that kind of
- >things that you do when you have 10 litres of nitrogen to waste, when a
- >prof dropped by and told us to try to immerge some piece of metal in the
- >nitrogen. Sure enough, somebody pulled out a penny and dropped it in a
- >full styrofoam cup. What happens is the following:
- >The nitrogen will boil for some time, like it boils when you drop anything
- >in it, but then suddenly it will boil really hard, about 3 times more
- >violently than it did before, for about half a second, and then it will
- >just gently bubble away (When the metal is in thermal equilibrium with it,
- >i guess...).
- >
- > WHY ???????????????
- > WHY JUST METALS ???
-
- As Michael Kagalenko has beat me to the punch in answering the first question,
- that the so-called "Leydenfrost effect" is exemplified by this demonstration, I
- will answer the second question. The effect you have described is seen in
- metals because they are thermal conductors. The entire surface of a conducting
- object is approximately at the same temperature. Thus the critical temperature
- for the breakdown of the vopor barrier is reached simultaneously over the
- entire surface, resulting in a large sudden increase in the heat transfer rate
- from the metal to the liquid nitrogen. For a thermally insulating material this
- breakdown occurs at different times for tifferent places on the surface, and
- the heat transfer within the object limits the rate of transfer as well.
-
- I might opine that your thermodynamics professor is a piker. Here in western
- Canada I do that demonstration with a machined one-kilogram copper cylinder.
- The effect is much more dramatic. Your prof could, at the very least, spring
- for a silver dollar! :-))
-
- Finally, I will reveal a demonstration similar to one you did which I
- originated, and which I have never explained satisfactorilly. If you take a
- Pink Pearl eraser and immerse it for one minute in liquid nitrogen, and then
- remove it and place it on an insulating stand in the ambient open air, it will
- *subsequently* explode. This demonstration is not highly reproducible, and it
- will not work at all with other brands of erasers in my limited experience, but
- it works with more than one size of the correct brand. If any kid out there
- with access to a liquid nitrogen source would like a nice science fair project
- I'd be glad to collaborate. Optimization of time and conditions, examination of
- probable effects, etc., are still to be done. Somehow I felt that this project
- would be inappropriate for me to undertake myself, and I think no graduate
- student would find it attractive.
-
- Merry fig day,
-
- Leigh
-