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- From: norm@netcom.com (Norman Hardy)
- Subject: Re: Philosophy of Pi
- Message-ID: <1992Dec12.020752.6844@netcom.com>
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- Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:07:52 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec11.200538.928@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> pratt@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (Vaughan R. Pratt) writes:
- >In article <COLUMBUS.92Dec11123510@strident.think.com> columbus@strident.think.com (Michael Weiss) writes:
- >>In article <1992Dec11.155846.10861@ee.ubc.ca> bdow@ee.ubc.ca (DOW BRUCE
- >>PAUL) writes:
- >>
- >> I'm looking for some opinions on Pi. Lately I have been thinking about it
- >> a lot. Does anybody know why Pi equals what it does? Why is it an irrational
- >> number? Why is it between 3 and 4 in magnitude? Does it stem from the circle
- >> alone? What is it about the circle that gives Pi its value? I know Pi can
- >> be derived without using the circle (differential equations, infinite series).
- >> What determines the value of Pi? Does it have something to do with time and
- >> space in a three-dimensional universe? Would Pi have a different value in
- >> another universe? Or is it a constant in any universe obeying the laws of
- >> Euclidean geometry? [...]
- >>
- >>Boy, are you asking for it in this newsgroup! But I won't flame; here are
- >>three answers.
- >>
- >>1. Why does Pi equal what it does? Well, what do you mean by Pi? The use
- >> of (quick, count on my fingers!) the 14th letter of the Greek alphabet
- >> to represent the ratio of circumference of the circle to its diameter
- >> is due to Jones, a contemporary of Newton. (You wouldn't ask, "Why is
- >> a robin a bird?", would you? Maybe, "Why do English speaking people
- >> call that feathered thing over there a `robin'?"--- but that's
- >> for a different newsgroup.)
- >>
- >>2. Pi was first proved irrational by Lambert, I forget when. [...]
- >>
- >>3. Would Pi have a different value in a different universe? [...]
- >
- >I think the last formulation does the most justice to the spirit of
- >this question. So let's imagine a universe where circles are square.
- >Then pi used to compute the perimeter would vary between 2.828 (2
- >sqrt(2)) and 4 depending on where you measured the diameter, and if
- >used to compute the area would vary between 2 and 4. The arithmetic
- >mean of these four quantities is 3.207107 while their geometric mean is
- >3.084422. The arithmetic and geometric means of *those* two quantities
- >is in turn 3.145764 and 3.145166, and after one more iteration they
- >have converged to 3.145465, within .1% of pi for round circles.
- >
- >So square wheels should work very well on average. :-)
- >
- >Any volunteers to compute pi for octagons or 16-agons?
- >--
- >Vaughan Pratt All knowledge resides in the going odds
-
- In a 2-D Banach space one can measure the circumference of the
- unit circle (M-body). If the M-body of the space is a hexagon
- then the circumference is 6. If the body is a square then the
- circumference is 8. I think that pi is always between 3 and 4
- inclusively in Banach spaces. There may be no natural
- definition for pi in Banach spaces of more than two dimensions.
-