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- From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
- Subject: Re: Student attitudes
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- Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:16:31 GMT
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- In article <11DEC199208420044@cycvax.nscl.msu.edu> burtt@cycvax.nscl.msu.edu (BRIAN BURTT) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec10.164109.17533@hubcap.clemson.edu>, jtbell@hubcap.clemson.edu (Jon Bell) writes...
- >>In article <1g6gsjINNou3@agate.berkeley.edu> bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey) writes:
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- >>>One solution, if you could get past the politics, would be to have the
- >>>math dept and the physics dept jointly design and jointly teach a course
- >>>for physicists that would be both mathematically and psysically
- >>>respectable. I mean, make the calculus course and the physics course
- >>>one single course, maybe with twice the usual class hours, but able to
- >>>spend all of those hours on physics this week and math next week, if
- >>>that turns out to be appropriate.
-
- >An idea for a college/university large enough to offer several calculus
- >sections:
- > Split the calculus sequence into three parts:
- > a) a sequence oriented to physical scientists and engineers that
- >targets the math useful to them-- this is essentially freshman calculus
- >as we know it
- > b) a sequence oriented to economists, business students, statisticians,
- >etc., which give them calculus without relying on "physics" problems
- >that are what calc textbooks normally have
- > c) a sequence oriented to mathematicians, that covers the theoretical
- >aspects of calculus and offers a very early introduction to proofs and
- >developing maturity of mathematical thought.
- > Before I get flamed: I not advocating either insulating scientists
- >totally from mathematical theory, or mathematicians from the applications
- >of their work. I just think the classes should be a little more relevant
- >to those who take them.
- > I am a student, not an educator, so I'm no expert and welcome
- >comments and criticism.
-
- This is too much what is done, and it has exascerbated the problem of the
- students in the applied fields learning "relevant" computations, but no
- concepts.
-
- The concepts in the calculus course are those of limit, derivative, and
- integral; all else consists of consequences of these, and manipulation.
- What the students acquire now in whichever calculus course they take is
- only the manipulations, unless it is the mathematics honors (NOT advanced
- placement) course, and not always then. These manipulative skills are
- quickly lost, and nothing is left.
-
- It does no good to know how to calculate a derivative or an integral
- if one does not know what it means. And it does harm to formulate an
- applied problem in a certain manner because those are the ones which
- one knows how to solve. Will an engineering student formulate something
- using a differential equation whose solution is unknown? More likely,
- terms will be left out to make the equation standard.
- --
- Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
- Phone: (317)494-6054
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