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- From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill)
- Subject: Re: Liar paradox
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- Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:53:31 GMT
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- In article <GUTTMAN.92Dec16164336@circe.mitre.org>, guttman@circe.mitre.org (Joshua D. Guttman) writes:
- |> In article <1476@eouk13.eoe.co.uk> pwestlak@eoe.co.uk (Peter Westlake) writes:
- |>
- |> Please forgive me if this is a naive question (or even completely stupid :-)
- |>
- |> The way I have heard the original Cretan liar paradox expressed is that
- |> Epiminedes, a Cretan, said "All Cretans are liars". The reasoning goes that
- |> as Epiminedes is known to be from Crete, he therefore claims to be a liar,
- |> and therefore claims not to be, which is a paradox. But it seems to me
- |> (in my ignorance) that this statement permits a consistent interpretation,
- |> namely that SOME Cretans are liars, and that Epiminedes is one of them.
- |> By supposing the existence of other Cretans, we avoid a paradox.
- |>
- |> So a) I have the original statement wrong
- |> or b) it never was a paradox really
- |> or c) I have missed something obvious and everything I say is false.
- |> Break it to me gently, especially if I have misspelled "Epi.*".
- |>
- |>
- |> I think you misspelled Epimenides, but you're right about it's not being
- |> paradoxical, as stated. I think that his statement was enough to make people
- |> realize, though, that something very similar was going to be really paradoxical
- |> ("This very sentence is false").
- |>
- |> Kripke, who's always entertaining, says that the statement is quoted by St.
- |> Paul in one of the Epistles, who writes that Epimenides, even one of their own,
- |> states that all Cretans are liars. St Paul adds, "This testimony is true."
- |> Paul seems to have missed the logical subtlety here.
- |>
- |> Joshua Guttman
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- Or we have missed the subtlety of St. Paul ... possibly his sense of
- humor?
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