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- From: dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska)
- Subject: Re: Carrying Capacity and Sanity
- Message-ID: <1992Dec11.215619.6822@vexcel.com>
- Organization: VEXCEL Corporation, Boulder CO
- References: <149180155@hpindda.cup.hp.com>
- Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:56:19 GMT
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- >This is not a scientific or pragmatic question -- it is a moral one. At least
- >to some of us -- and I think in fact to the vast majority of people -- this
- >path is reminiscent of the dreams of a Hitler. It is tinged with psychosis.
- >It might turn out that if we followed it, it would be a blessing if we were
- >to fail and become extinct. Does the universe really need an exponentiating
- >civilization of conquering power-worshippers who cheerfully wrecked their
- >own world to get warmed up? Is that a worthy thing for us to try to become?
- >
- > * * * *
- >
- >The choice couldn't be more clear. One way says expand the human niche as
- >far as we can and trust to the cleverness of technologists to figure out
- >something whenever we get into a jam. The other way says shrink the human
- >niche down to a coevolutionary stable state with the biosphere (at least
- >on Earth) -- a state which is compatible with the maintenance of the Earth's
- >biological diversity and ecological and evolutionary processes. That is the
- >human niche. If it can someday be extended off the Earth without expanding
- >it *on* the Earth, fine. Maybe if we first demonstrate that we can after all
- >live within the means of one biosphere without harming it we will acquire
- >the longevity as a species -- and the moral right -- to attempt projects on
- >such an immense scale. [And probably the first step towards learning how
- >to make new biospheres is restoring the one we have now.]
-
- Although Alan uses his normal polemic approach in referring to Hitler,
- I hope people can get past that and see the basic point. A while back
- I took a question from John McCarthy about technical limits to
- pollution sinks and converted it to one about our choice of leaving
- our mess for others to solve. Such moral questions sometimes make
- scientists and engineers uneasy because scientific and technological
- advance are value-free. Their uses, however, are not. For many
- people, these issues are simply ones of personal responsibility for
- our actions: as individuals, as societies, and as a species. The
- application of morality is tricky in a society of individuals. The
- imposition of morality by a minority is coercive. The abdication of
- morality to the market could lead to a "market correction" on a
- scale suggested by "Beyond the Limits", or barring that (for the
- skeptics), it leads to large biospheric impacts, unless you are as
- optimistic about technology as John McCarthy (but we know he's the
- gambling type :). The application of morality through consensual
- agreement in society is the goal as I see it. Examples of such
- consensual morality abound and it is the goal of many of us to
- promote such a consensus. Alan describes the choices in stark terms.
- Whether one wishes to acknowledge such a stark dichotomy or not, the
- choice is still there to be made. Or has our technology advanced to
- such a degree that we now imitate our machines and our limitations
- are defined only by our physical capabilities?
-
- >
- >------------
- >Alan McGowen
- >
-
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- dingo in boulder (dean@vexcel.com)
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