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- From: Lyle_Seaman@transarc.com
- Subject: Re: GM Plant Closures Again? Won't Solve the Economic Problems
- Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
- Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:56:41 GMT
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- mkohlhaa@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mike) writes:
- > nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
- > >The correct solution to having good working conditions and good
- > >worker treatment is to have an economy that's strong enough
- > >so it generates so many jobs that workers are always in demand.
- >
- > Isn't that what causes increased labor prices which leads to run-away
- > inflation?
-
- Yes. It has happened in various parts of the US, from time to time.
- In NH in 1984, unemployment was about 2% (maybe 3% -- at any rate,
- this is effectively zero). People loaded their families into, and
- strapped their belongings to the rooves of, their '68 Buicks and left
- places like Indiana, Oklahama or Michigan to move to Massachusetts.
- Some of them made it, some of them broke down in Pennsylvania.
- People came from Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, and Mexico, NY.
-
- I almost dropped out of college to take a job programming computers
- (but I had a girlfriend at college -- wotta reason for a decision!).
-
- Burger King franchises in Southern NH were paying $7.50 / hr for
- burger-flippers. High-school students were working 3 jobs in order to
- pay for multiple automobiles. (In fact, a few of them were saving for
- college, but not most of them.)
-
- ...And the working conditions were about the same as at Burger King
- anywhere, probably because the available labor supply *really* cared
- more about the high wages than about an employee lounge or child care
- or education reimbursement or cooperative decision-making.
-
- The _correct_ solution (to provide good working conditions and worker
- treatment) is for workers to own the companies they work for, so they
- can reap the fruits of their own actions. Employee-owned companies
- provide a sort of fusion of Marxist ideas into a capitalist framework.
- It seems to work in the US, at least as long as the companies are
- relatively small. I can imagine that it might break down in large
- companies, but lots of things break down in large companies.
-
- Lyle Transarc 707 Grant Street
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- "I don't believe it! I believe it, though..." - kazar
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