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- From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
- Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
- Subject: Re: Dylan supported by GNU in future ?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec15.042930.23371@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>
- Date: 15 Dec 92 04:29:30 GMT
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- In article <FISCHER.92Dec15014923@thor.iesd.auc.dk> fischer@iesd.auc.dk
- (Lars Peter Fischer) writes:
- >>>>>> "Martin" == Martin Cracauer (cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de)
- >Martin> I would like to know, if FSF will release a 'Dylan' implementation.
- >Martin> (Dylan is a language like CLOS, invented by Apple).
- [...]
- >Martin> I know, FSF don't like Apple, but isn't dylan 'free enough' to be
- >Martin> supported ?
- >
- >Well, write a GNU Dylan inetrpreter/compiler/system and donate it to
- >the FSF and things will look much more promising.
-
- I believe that Dylan is trademarked by Apple. That's why the free
- implementation of a language based on the Dylan Language Manual is called
- "Thomas" (or somesuch). Dylan most certainly *not* a free language. I
- recall some mention of certification of language implementations by Apple.
- The Dylan Language Manual ain't all that great and I don't find anything in
- the language that makes it worth locking myself to Apple and if you want a
- free version, somebody has already done it so why spend the time and effort?
-
- I, for one, believe that Dylan is mostly just a tool for Apple to get
- people locked into their universe by promising all sorts of
- performance/abilities/etc. on hardware that has yet to be shown (Newton)
- which has already been majorly backpeddled on because Apple knows they
- can't deliver. Sculley has made all sorts of pronoucements about the
- future of the palmtop/PDA/PIM/whatever and he has neither the hardware
- (though I believe they have cut the specs again to try and get the cost
- down) nor the software (a Dylan based OS, I believe, which certainly is not
- proven) to fulfill those big words so he has stated that the market will
- now arrive (surpise :-) at about the same projected dates for a real,
- cheap, version of Newton (which, of course, gives the OS/Dylan people time
- to gain converts and make the thing actually work efficiently, etc.).
-
- Sorry for the tangent,
- John
-
- P.S. I speak for myself.
-