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- From: grog@lemis.uucp (Greg Lehey)
- Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc
- Subject: Re: What is lacking in UNIX? (Re: UNIVEL MUST BE KIDDING!!!!!)
- Message-ID: <2406@adagio.lemis.uucp>
- Date: 20 Dec 92 16:17:41 GMT
- References: <id.89SV.GJ8@ferranti.com> <1992Dec18.014048.26507@Celestial.COM> <BzHCE5.8FG@chinet.chi.il.us>
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- Organization: LEMIS, W-6324 Feldatal, Germany
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- In article <BzHCE5.8FG@chinet.chi.il.us> les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec18.014048.26507@Celestial.COM> bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell) writes:
- >
- >>:The ability to stick a floppy in a brand new computer, turn it on, and
- >>:have it come up running UNIX.
- >
- >>SCO ODT 2.0 is almost that simple. Stick in a floppy, stick in
- >>a tape, answer a few questions about system name, set root
- >>passsword, wait for tape to finish loading.
- >
- >Let's suppose that you manage to misconfigure the system such that
- >it won't boot from the hard disk. How long does it take to fix
- >it?
-
- That depends on the system and what's wrong with it. I just did this
- today with UnixWare. I'm still waiting for the tapes to finish.
-
- My mistake: I set up the X config for an ET4000 instead of an ET3000.
- Sure, my mistake (I had forgotten what board I had put in there). The
- result: no picture. With every other UNIX system I have used, I could
- have booted from the boot floppy, mounted the root file system and
- maybe /usr under that, re-run the config utiltity to plain vanilla and
- then booted from hard disk again. With an unfamiliar system, maybe 15
- minutes.
-
- Here's what I've done with UnixWare so far:
-
- 1. Boot from 3 floppies (30 minutes!)
- 2. Select "non-destructive install". It goes off and tries to rebuild
- the kernel (God knows why) and gets multiple definitions of some
- label which doesn't ring a bell to me. At least it tells me this
- one (not like the "An error occurred reading the tape - please
- check that it is correct" when I ran out of memory). Then it tells
- me that the installation was a success, reboots, can't find the
- mouse, dies doing some other stuff.
- 3. Boot from 3 floppies (30 minutes!)
- 4. Select "destructive install". Spend one hour installing the base
- system ("Personal Edition"). Fire up, spend 10 minutes working out
- that it has given me a Spanish keyboard mapping and that it is too
- stupid to change it (if anybody runs into this, there's a line in
- ~/.profile which contains the information about the keyboard), then
- change it with good old vi (yes, they do supply that, but there's
- no more and no man), tripping over the Spanish keys as I go.
- 5. Start to re-install TCP/IP. 30 minutes so far.
- 6. When I get that done, re-install the development system.
-
- >With windows/dos, you just boot from a floppy and twiddle the
- >config.sys and autoexec.bat files till it works again. With unix,
- >you might be able to do this if you have prepared an emegerency
- >boot disk ahead of time or know how to bail out from the install
- >disks and know which of several dozen files to modify.
-
- This assumes that you know how to prepare the emergency floppy.
- UnixWare doesn't tell you how.
-
- My impression so far (I'm testing this for a review in a German UNIX
- magazine) is that they have tried to make it easy for a novice to
- install. By removing the traditional methods and not documenting their
- new ones properly, they have also ensured that you need to be a novice
- to install it. So far, I would say it is probably the worst
- UNIX installation process I have ever seen.
-
- Does anybody else out there have any comments? Am I being too
- unfriendly? Do people really want to have pretty pictures and Alt-F4
- to exit and no clear error messages and this horrible sub-English
- dialect they use? I suppose the market will tell, but at the moment I
- can't work out what advantage the thing has over Windoze.
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- Greg Lehey | Tel: +49-6637-1488
- LEMIS | Fax: +49-6637-1489
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- Greg Lehey | Tel: +49-6637-1488
- LEMIS | Fax: +49-6637-1489
- Schellnhausen 2, W-6324 Feldatal, Germany
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