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- From: casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
- Subject: Re: Why is Sun abandoning SunOS4.1.3?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec20.161243.28099@fwi.uva.nl>
- Date: 20 Dec 92 16:12:43 GMT
- References: <1992Dec19.221627.20632@midway.uchicago.edu>
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- epc1@quads.uchicago.edu (Merlin) writes:
-
- >Why is Sun losing touch with their customer base? First, they
- >use and continue to use a ridiculous, ugly windowing manager (olwm) despite
- >the fact that a majority of their users use mwm. OpenWindows is fine
- >but I want Sun to provide mwm. Yes, I hate paying $250 for a license
- >for every Sun we buy.
-
- The majority of their users using mwm? This subject is pretty
- much beaten to death and it seems that this is not true. There
- seems to be an about 50-50 split between mwm and olwm.(Or 60-60
- split). If Sun was to ship motif, all users would have to pay for that
- shit. I prefer OpenLook over Motif. But I prefer to use *twm, as
- the twm family is the fastest fasmily of window managers available.
-
- >Now, Sun is abandoning SunOS!!! The question IS NOT why don't vendors
- >port their apps but WHY can't I run my old apps on new, faster hardware?
- >Sun is supposed to be custoemer responsive and built its successes on
- >meeting user's needs where traditional, large computer makers used
- >proprietary software and OS's. Now, they're telling everyone to
- >abandon their old knowledge and apps for a new OS. What does Solaris
- >incorporate that they could not put into SunOS??? Buying old hardware
- >to support an old OS is not an option in my opinion. They should not
- >have caused such confusion in the first place.
-
- We have no problem running old apps on SunOS 5.x (Sun isn't abandoning
- SunOS, they are just innovating it). It is true that they have made
- a bigger step this time, breaking more software that when we moved
- from 3.x to 4.x, though I remember distictly that I had to maek a number
- of modifications to programs back then.
-
- Sun provieds a backward compatibility package that works well for me.
- You cannot simply add things to SunOS. Sometimes you have to redesign
- and reimplement large parts of the OS. The support for threads and
- multiprocessirs already obviated the need for a total kernel overhaul.
- A lot of things have been made more modular and have been cleaned up.
-
- Sun has been warning for 3 (or more years) that they would change.
-
- >If this is the direction that Sun is taking, then they will definitely
- >alienate people who bought their machines. Sun is no better and no
- >worse than other vendors who say, "do what we tell you to do when we
- >tell you to do it. if you don't listen to us, we won't supprt your old
- >os forever and you won't be able to run our newest and fastest machines"
-
- That's what all vendors have been doing forever. Sun gave you a three year
- warning. Have you been listening? No vendor supports old OSes forever.
-
- >This is the straw which will cause me to stop being Suns and start
- >purchasing new machines which seem more customer-oriented. I
- >have been really impressed with the way DEC is remanaging their
- >business and producing fast machines (i.e. Alpha). I hate the
- >fact that our group works on VAXs, MIPs machines, and SUNs. However,
- >with this ultimatum by Sun, I will not continue to purchase their
- >machines.
-
- All machines will be running something that looks like SysV in the end,
- except those people that do OS research. Impressed with DEC? You're
- the first. OSF/1 has been abandoned by most vendors and will
- die within a few years. DEC will switch to SysV within 4 years,
- if they continue to be in business (I have some doubts about that).
-
- But if you're impressed with DEC, that ships machines with incompatible
- hardware, running an incompatible (with everything else) OS,
- then what's your problem with Solaris 2.x? It's new, runs on your
- current hardware, runs most of your old programs, even compiles
- most of your old programs, not incompatible enough, perhaps?
-
- Casper
-