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- From: bredell@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell)
- Subject: Re: Why the Piracy? Here's why...
- Message-ID: <1992Dec18.124705.11418@tdb.uu.se>
- Reply-To: Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
- Organization: Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)
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- References: <1992Dec17.165626.293@physc1.byu.edu>
- Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:47:05 GMT
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- seth@physc1.byu.edu wrote:
- :
- : I don't see how this would really dent the "pirating industry" that much. Seems
- : like most of the pirating I've seen by people (notice I said "seen", not
- : "done") has been to pitch in as a group and buy something and then copy the
- : master disks so they each have a copy. I actually sympathize with this way of
- : being an all-around illegal crook, as the people I have seen do it are almost
- : always extremely unable to pay for full-price (should I say outrageously
- : priced? Boy, I can feel the flames coming already ;) software. It is to me a
- : pity that so many people can barely afford, even with taking out loans, to buy
- : a half-decent machine, and then find that to be legal means they can't run any
- : software on it but perhaps shareware. I know that "educational pricing" is
- : sometimes a big help, but sometimes it isn't enough. Things like Pagemaker
- : still go for $200 educationally, and few but the students with RICH parents
- : could afford more than one or two such apps. I find it amusing at times to read
- : Apple ads touting such things as "it can run IBM PC software, control your
- : finances, let you do page layout, process words till you drop, etc.." They
- : always show these fancy apps on the screens of the happy-faced Mac users, and
- : I have to smile with amusement as I add up in my head the prices of all these
- : apps Apple is selling you the machine for. It gets ridiculous. Of course, Apple
- : would sell perhaps fewer macs if their ads told the whole truth, like this
- : maybe: "it lets you run PC software for just $200 more, keep up with your
- : finances for just $130 more (for the high-tech spreadsheet they always show),
- : design nice newsletters and such for only $200 more, process words till you
- : drop for only $90 more, etc etc" It adds up so quick that to really do much at
- : all with your mac would cost you hundreds if not thousands more. I also have a
- : beef with companies that rip you off in a big way if you buy the "eductaional"
- : package. Case in point: Wolfram Research. They will sell you a "student
- : version" of Mathematica for ONLY $175, BUT that version SUCKS THE BIG ONE. It
- : won't even use a math-coprocessor! WHY? ISN"T THE NAME MATHEMATICA? The notion
- : that a software's ability to utilize a math-coprocessor should be an option
- : that costs you HUNDREDS of dollars more is BULL- S__T! I think the "student"
- : version also doesn't do color graphics either. Now the REALLY outrageous thing:
- : The version of Mathematica that DOES use a math-coprocessor costs a STUDENT
- : over $700! ANy student I know of would have to take out a LOAN just to get a
- : fully-functional version of the program! I have used Mathematica on a NeXT
- : before, and even on a 25 MHz 040 w/on-chip fpu and all I still did things on
- : occasion that took a LONG TIME. On a 20 or 25 MHz 030 WITHOUT using the FPU
- : it would take FOREVER!!! I bet Wolfram Research doesn't sell many full-fledged
- : versions of Mathematica to students...
- : When you get right down to it, the reason I don't pirate software is that for
- : the few apps I really NEED to have, I can afford them, albeit barely. (I only
- : run THINK Pascal/C, THINK Reference, and MS Word, anything else is shareware
- : or freeware) One more beef about software prices... Why in the heck do so many
- : shareware writers ask for SO MUCH for their stuff? I am talking about the init
- : that does some stupid thing to the finder or something like that and then you
- : get this message saying "please support the shareware concept by sending me a
- : check for $35, I also take MC/Visa" I mean, BE REAL! Most cdevs and such are
- : worth at MOST $5 or maybe $10. You have these people who yell and scream about
- : Apple charging $100 or whatever for a FULL-FLEDGED OPERATING SYSTEM and then
- : they expect you to pay $25 for a HACK! That doesn't make sense to me... Well,
- : I have my asbestos suit on, so bring on those inevitable flames...
- :
- : Seth Leigh
- : BYU Physics Dept.
-
- Hm ... I can remember the good old days when I was still a student. We used to
- pirate a lot of software. Of course, no one of us could afford buying MS Word
- or Excel or something like that, so I don't think the software companies lost
- any money on this.
-
- However, when we (or at least I) started working at different companies, we
- already knew what to recommend when the boss comes around asking what kind
- of programs are the best. This way the pirating serves like some sort of
- advertisment for the companies.
-
- /Mats
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