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Info-Mac Digest             Fri, 18 Dec 92       Volume 10 : Issue 300

Today's Topics:

      [*] Address Book v3.5.0
      (A) File Copying and Trash--What's the Connection?
      2 Monitors on a DuoDock-Parameter problem...
      Accel-A-Writer (Q)
      Another Opinion poll...
      AppleTalk version 58 (A)
      Backdrop replacement
      Best enhancements for IIsi? (Q)
      Can't create Desktop file on floppies (Q)
      Can't Save To Floppy Without Emptying Trash
      Creators and Types
      Expanding VX RAM with PC 4mb SIMM's ?
      FAQ's (A's)
      File Copying and Trash--What's the Connection?
      File Copying and Trash--What's the Connection? (A) (2 msgs)
      History was made today... (2 msgs)
      IIvx vs. IIvi
      Info-Mac Digest V10 #299
      Installing AppleTalk Remote Access from 800K drive
      LaserWriter accounting util
      Mac and PC printing
      mac and PC printing-clarifications
      Mixing system 6 & 7 (again) (Q)
      Music software
      Options (2 msgs)
      Patching System 7.1 on a PB230 for Omega SANE...
      PB160 and Mirror Removable HD (A)
      QuickBasic Update?
      Random-dot-stereoautograms [SIT! vs SITD]  (A)
      Reading HP floppies on a Mac...
      Santa's Sleigh
      SendPS under System 7.1 (A)
      SpeedyFinder
      SpeedyFinder and Labels (C)
      Stylewriter II information
      Sys 6 & 7 LaserWriter conflicts
      System 7.1 and incompatibilities
      Visual BASIC

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 09:44:25 EST
From: Murph Sewall <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] Address Book v3.5.0

Version 3.5.0 of Jim Leitch's super Address Book utility.  It sorts,
selects, prints envelopes (with U.S. barcodes), and dials the phone
(with or without a modem).  Really terrific, and not too expensive
shareware.

Version 3.5.0 corrects some small glitches and adds a few enhancements.

Replaces /info-mac/app/address-book-341.hqx

[Archived as /info-mac/app/address-book-350.hqx; 416K]

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:59:44 -0800
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (A) File Copying and Trash--What's the Connection?

Next time you have a bulging trash can, double click on it!  Inside,
you will see the files that you have thrown away.  You can drag any of
them out of the trash and get them back.  This is sort of like
throwing a piece of paper into the wastebasket.  Until you empty the
trash, it is easy to retreive things from the wastebasket.

Now, you might speculate as to how the Mac is able to reclaim such
things.  Clearly, the computer cannot really reuse the disk space
occupied by files in the trash can, or else it would be impossible to
retrieve them.  This means that if you drag files from a floppy to the
trash can, it doesn't free the space until you empty the trash.  You
can verify this by looking at the free disk space line on the floppy's
file window.

One change Apple made with System 7 was to NOT automatically empty the
trash when floppies are ejected.  (In System 6 and earlier, the
trashed files on floppies were eliminated as soon as the disk was
ejected).  This means that if you trash some files on a floppy, eject
it and put it away for weeks, it will still have the trashed files
physically present on it.  When you then insert it in the machine, it
might not have much free space, but that is because you have since
forgotten all about the trashed files.  System 7's copy message is
just a reminder that there is too much space taken up by trashed, but
not really eliminated files for the copy to proceed.



Thomas A. Russ                                             [e-mail]
USC/ISI, 4676 Admiralty Way, Marina del Rey, CA 90292      [phone]

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:42:46 +0000
From: Elliot Bennett <[e-mail]>
Subject: 2 Monitors on a DuoDock-Parameter problem...

Ok, so you all are going to say I'm crazy for complaining, after all, I seem
to be one of the VERY few people currently in possession of a Duo Dock.  But,
others may no doubt face this problem (at least at some time in the not TOO
distant future ;-) and I'd like to know if there's a solution.

As many of you may know, if your Duo is connected to Ethernet via the Dock and
not (i.e. LocalTalk) when it's a stand-alone, then the Duo AUTOMATICALLY (!!)
switches between Ethernet and LocalTalk for you (VERY nice!).  This is the
kind of intelligence I expect from Apple.  However, I have a 13" Apple monitor
(on-board video) and a ProNitron 19" (video card) monitor connected to the
Dock and when I boot after having booted the Duo as a stand-alone, it forgets
all the parameters (on which monitor the menu should be, color level settings,
etc.) for BOTH monitors.

It is almost certainly pointless to ask if anyone else has seen this (most of
you probably have only seen your order for a Dock let alone a dock w/2
monitors).  But I guess I thought I could either reach someone at Apple about
this or perhaps some Duo guru out there might be able to come up with a fix
for this (I mean, if they can do it for the type of net connection I have,
they can certainly do it for my monitor connection, no?).  I'm not being
unreasonable, am I?

Anyway, any comments/ideas/flames/thoughts/or other meditations are most
welcome...

Elliot Bennett
[e-mail]

P.S.- DON'T ask me why or how I got a Dock so quickly- I really have NO idea (
but I'm not exactly complaining :-) ...

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 16:24:23 +0100
From: "CHRISTIAN F. BUSER" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Accel-A-Writer (Q)

Does anybody know about possibilities to increase the RAM capacity
of a LaserWriter Plus?

I have seen ads from Xante (Macworld Dec 92, page 253 or MacUser Dec 92,
page 238) that their controller board not only increases the RAM amount
available, but also enhances output to 600 x 600 dpi.

Any expirience with the company or their equipment? Any ideas about
pricing? Is installation easy or do I need a specialist to do it for
me? Do they have an email address?

You may ask why do I not want to buy a new Laser. True, but new lasers
are not free, and my printer's "mileage" is not that high yet. And if
I'd sell it second hand, I'd get near to nothing for it ;-)

Please email me, and I'll summarize if there are responses.
Thank you and season's greetings!

Christian Buser                          [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 09:56:04 CST
From: Joseph Heck <[e-mail]>
Subject: Another Opinion poll...

I've been messing around in the magazine archives upstairs and I found
some information on an icon-based programming environment called Serius
Programmer. Has anyone out here used this? How is it? I'm looking for a
basic kind of review from anyone who has actually given this thing a whirl.

Thanks!
Joseph Heck
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 13:25:07 MDT
From: Alonso Castro <[e-mail]>
Subject: AppleTalk version 58 (A)

>According to page 24 of this week's MacWeek, Apple is recommending that
>all AppleTalk'ed Macs upgrade their AppleTalk version to 58 from 57.0.4.
>The article also claims that the new Network Products Installer is on
>AppleLink to which I do not yet have access.  The Network Products
>Installer at ftp.apple.com doesn't seem to have this version of AppleTalk.
>Is there any way in which I can do what Apple reccomends via FTP?
>Am I, perhaps, just missing something obvious?
>Richard K. Wolf

The Network Software Installer 1.3 which includes AppleTalk v. 58 can be found
in ftp.apple.com /dts/mac/sys.soft/netcomm/net-soft-install-1-3.hqx

Alonso

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Date: 18 Dec 92 21:03:59 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Tail Cat/Frodo Baggins)
Subject: Backdrop replacement

Does anyone have an init that does what backdrop does (backdrop is in the
archive) but Leaves the screen up for a PowerBook and Mac II

Backdrop is a program that picks a random StartupScreen at boot time.
And it (used to) leave the StartupScreen on the screen.


John Jendro
BITNET:    [e-mail]
INTERNET:  [e-mail]
UUCP:      sun!nosun!pdxgate!johnj

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:11:08 -0600 (CST)
From: Andrew Anthony Wier <[e-mail]>
Subject: Best enhancements for IIsi? (Q)

Apple has recently sent all the state agencies here in Texas a special
purchase offer for employees; a IIsi 3/40 with new Apple 14" monitor and
extended keyboard for $1699 and will throw in a LaserWriter NTR for a
total of $3199.
My boss plans to purchase the IIsi for his new work computer. Because he
and I are the only Mac users in this PC agency, I have become the default
"Mac guru".  I would like to be prepared to answer any questions he might
have about the IIsi and some economical enhancements for it, i.e. software
and hardware.
He will only be running a word processor, old version of MS Word, and old
version of Double Helix, and a mapping/scatter graph program.  Printing
will be done on a HP III laser.  He also tells me that he will be
connecting to a network of state agency heads, with E-mail; probably by
modem.

What system extensions and control panels might be good enhancements?

What is the most bang for the buck in a 9600bps v.42 MNP modem?

What's the best MS-DOS to Mac document/file converter/translator?

Please E-mail me directly and I'll post a top 20 list for the digest.

Andrew Wier             Media Specialist        Texas Commission for the Blind
[e-mail]         [phone]          4800 N. Lamar
                        Austin, TX 78756

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Date: 18 Dec 92 18:28:18 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Can't create Desktop file on floppies (Q)

"The desktop file cannot be created on the disk."
and it ejects the disk.
Disk First Aid, Norton and MacTools all fail to do anything with the disk.
It is also impossible to re-initialise the disk.
(The only thing that works is re-initialise it on a PC and then
re-initialise it again on a Mac.)
This is system 6.0.5 and, I think, 1.4 Mb floppies.
Is this disk failure or is there some simple problem I can fix?
Does this ring a bell with anyone?
Regards,
[e-mail]1
[e-mail]
<C=es;A=mensatex;P=y-net;O=sp1;S=Kenyon;G=Bob>

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Date: Friday, 18 Dec 1992 08:48:08 EST
From: "Jeffrey N. Fritz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Can't Save To Floppy Without Emptying Trash

When you copy a file, the system checks to see if there is enough room on
the destination volume (in this case, the floppy disk) for the file
before it moves the file.  (Compare this to Messy DOS which lets
you know AFTER the fact if it ran out of room during a copy).

The thing to remember is that items in the trash on a floppy are actually
moved to an invisible file on the floppy.  They are not actually deleted
until you empty the trash.  So if you try to copy a file and there are
items in the trash, the system considers them as well.  That is why
you may get the empty the trash request when copying to a floppy.  There
simply isn't room on the floppy as long as the items in the trash remain.

If you want to see proof of this, take a file on a floppy and move it
to the trash.  The trash can will swell.  Drag the floppy to the trash
and afterwards empty the trash (to remove any hard drive or network drive
items that might be there).  The trash can is slim.  Re-insert the floppy
and the trash can will swell again.  Open the trash and you'll see the
items from the floppy that you put in the trash.


Jeffrey Fritz, [e-mail]
West Virginia University

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 15:29:48 +1000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Creators and Types

>From: "Bill (J.W.) Brine" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Creators and Types
>
>Is there a list of creators and types for various application

Apple currently has a "confidential" database of all Creator's and Types
they know about.

I have a list of about thirty+.

If anyone would like send me an email (I use Eudora so BinHex  etc. if you
like) of your list of Creators and Types and I will deposit the resulting
file on Sumex in info-mac reports or the such.

Merv Connell
Mac Support . University of Central Queensland, AUSTRALIA
email    [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 18 DEC 92 10:56:11 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Expanding VX RAM with PC 4mb SIMM's ?

Can anybody provide information on memory upgrade configurations for
a VX (with 5mb RAM/1mb RAM currently), ie. does a VX follow the
configuration of a CI or an SI, or is it yet a different memory setup.

The machine is only here for a short time, and it desperately needs
more memory to be useful, any responses appreciated, ASAP.

I can lay my hands on four 4mb SIMM's (16mb total) currently installed in a
486 PC, which could be transferred across for the duration of the Xmas
break. Will the VX work with these, I assume they are at least 80ns,
possibly 70ns as the 486 is a DX50 board ....

Any help appreciated ........

Craig Morgan
School of Computing,                 Janet: [e-mail]
Staffordshire University, UK         email: [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 17:19:31 EST
From: "Allan M. Bloom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: FAQ's (A's)

Is it my imagination, or did Thursday's IM Digest contain a record for
FAQ's? Heck, even I know some of the answers. I think. Let's take them
all at once:

John Walker asked about getting Amiga Word Perfect files to a Mac. He
knows that AmigaWP can save in IBM WP 4.2 format. He doesn't know that
an Amiga can read from and write to an IBM formatted disk. You can format
an MS/DOS disk via Apple File Exchange, John. If you don't have one.

Bill Brine asked about a list of creators and types for various
application documents. Yup, but Apple thinks it's a secret. HandOff II,
however, has this thing called a Signatures file. If you take a peek at
it with ResEdit, you'll find a list of creator abbr's and names.

Mark Saper thinks a file with creator GCon and type GIFf should decode
eventually to an MSWord 4.0 file. Kevin Mitchell would be surprised.
That type/creator is typical of his GIF Converter program.

Howard Fried asked why he sometime must empty the trash before copying
a file to a floppy disk. Trashing a floppy disk file merely puts it in
the invisible Trash folder. Note that the free space on the disk doesn't
change when you trash one of its files. You must empty the trash to
really free up the disk space.

Then Michael A. McGuire noted that SendPS 2.0 doesn't work under Sys7.1
Why worry, Michael? Apple's LaserWriter Utility (from ftp.apple.com)
does that and more.

Scott Bresnahan asked about the sound dying on his IIsi. I think Apple
has finally labelled that a feature of the IIsi, Scott. My suggestion
has always been to go to Radio Shack and get an appropriate plug for
your audio-out jack (Mini-phono plug? I forget) and shove the plug in
and out a few times, turning the plug a few times when it is in.

Mark Davisson asked why he was having printing problems on his network
with some machines running Sys6 and some running Sys7. The LaserWriter
drivers must be the same on a network, Mark. Just install the Sys7
driver (and backgrounder) on each of the Sys6 machines. Use the Install
on the Printing disk, not the main installer.

Al Bloom, Virginia Tech

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 16:06:59 -0700
From: Bruce Carter <[e-mail]>
Subject: File Copying and Trash--What's the Connection?

Greetings,

>Under System 7, sometimes when I try to copy a file from the hard disk to a
>floppy I get the message "There is not enough room on the disc ... to
copy...,
>unless you empty the Trash.  Do you want to empty the Trash now?"
>
>We'll, as if I had a choice!  So I dutifully empty said waste receptacle and
>copy my file.
>
>Would someone like to 'waste' some bandwidth and explain why copying a file
is
>sometimes dependent on the contents of the Trash?  It's not that I mind
>cleaning out the bin--I can usually reclaim something with Norton--but why
>should I have to in the first place?

The reason that you have to do this is that when you throw a file into the
trash, system 7 and up doesn't actually delete it, or even mark the space for
recovery.  All it does is put it in a special folder (called Trash, oddly
enough).  When you empty the trash, then it marks the space as usable.  What
you are seeing is that the remaining free space on your disk is not enough to
copy the file you want unless you actually delete the files that are in the
Trash folder.  The system detects this, and rather than just emptying the
trash
on its own arbitrarily (which is what system 6 and earlier does, pretty much
anytime it feels like it) it asks you if you want to free up that space so
that
you can copy over the file.  That's why it asks you to empty the trash, to
confirm that it is really ok to remove those files.
                     <->
Bruce Carter, CBI Product Development                [e-mail]
Simplot/Micron Instructional Technology Center       amccarte@idbsu (Bitnet)
Boise State University, Boise, ID  83725             [phone]@phone

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 00:33:41 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Brian Gaeke)
Subject: File Copying and Trash--What's the Connection? (A)

>        Would someone like to 'waste' some bandwidth and explain why copying
a
>file is sometimes dependent on the contents of the Trash?  It's not that I
>mind cleaning out the bin--I can usually reclaim something with Norton--but
why
>should I have to in the first place?

The finder is talking about the trash on the floppy, which may contain
files that, if deleted, would leave sufficient space for it to copy the
files you wanted to be copied.

Brian

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:02:05 -0800
From: [e-mail]
Subject: File Copying and Trash--What's the Connection? (A)

Howard asks why he is sometimes asked to empty the trash before proceeding
with a file copy....

When you put a file in the trash, it isn't physically deleted from the disk
until you explicitly empty the trash (with System 7, anyway). This is why
you can open the trash and take things out of it (you knew you could,
didn't you?). Consequently it's still taking up room on the disk (watch the
K available on a floppy as you trash something; it won't change). If the
file you're copying is too big to fit in the remaining space, System 7's
Finder will offer to take out the trash. (System 6's Finder will simply say
there's not enough room and leave it at that.) (Rather the way my kids
behave; maybe I need to upgrade them to System 7 :-))

Once you've emptied the Trash, don't *ever* count on Norton (or anyone
else) being able to recover your file. The space freed up from the trashed
files is reused sooner or later for storing other files (almost immediately
if the Finder's emptied the Trash for you), and *nothing* will recover the
old files once that happens.

Happy holidays to all,
Mike Dustan, Computing Services, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, BC Canada

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:42:37 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Christopher Lishka)
Subject: History was made today...

In digest <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:

    >When the Apple Macintosh was first introduced, IBM derided
    >this computer as "a toy" claiming that mice were too
    >difficult for users to comprehend and use.

    [...]

    >Innovation and attention to the customer in the form of
    >ergonomic design and well engineered products are what
    >distinguish Apple's computers from the utter crap being
    >churned out by IBM and the PC clone manufacturers.

First you knock IBM for looking down on the Mac, then you yourself
look down on the IBM PC.  The same global generalization which IBM
made regarding Macs, *you* are making regarding IBM PCs.

I have managed IBM PC's on a Novell network; Macs on a localtalk
network; VMS computers (VAXen and VAXstations) which use DECnet,
TCP/IP, and tight clustering over ethernet and FDDI; and Ultrix
machines running TCP/IP and DECnet over ethernet and FDDI.  I have
also owned several Commodore Amigas.  Of all the above systems, I
dislike PC's the most, but believe me not all of the machines "churned
out by IBM and the PC clone manufacturers" are "utter crap."  MS-DOS
may not be much to write home about, but from what I have heard OS/2
is well regarded, and it runs on the *same* hardware.  And if you
don't like OS/2, you can stick some form of Unix on the *same*
hardware.

The fact is, even if IBM is losing its shirt, IBM PCs are doing very
well.  This is *not* necessarily an indication of better hardware.
However, it does show how successful IBM's creation has been.  And
part of the reason for this success is indeed "ergonomic design and
well engineered products" in the form of good software.  Many of the
same big players are writing the same applications for Macs and PCs.
Much of Apple's success has been in the form of good applications,
coupled with a fairly easy-to-use operating system.  Although MS-DOS
and Windows may not be as nice as System 7, the good applications are
still there in droves.

It is interesting to see that IBM is doing so poorly.  Although the
irony is amusing, I wonder how IBM's poor standings will affect Apple,
who has a lot of joint work going on right now with old Big Blue.

                            .oO Chris Oo.


--
                               Christopher Lishka
 Never drive a car when you're dead...                     PPE Division, CERN
                -- Tom Waits
                [e-mail]
                                 vxaluw::lishka

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Date: 18 Dec 1992 11:11:54 -0800
From: "Anker, Andrew" <[e-mail]>
Subject: History was made today...

>IBM is on the skids and scrambling to stay alive.  Apple Computer is
>experiencing record sales and revenues thanks to their new Powerbook
computers.

>Innovation and attention to the customer in the form of ergonomic design
>and well engineered products are what distinguish Apple's computers from
>the utter crap being churned out by IBM and the PC clone manufacturers.
>No longer able to rely on consistant sales of big mainframes to huge
>institutions, IBM is suddenly finding it has to (gasp) compete and, if
>it learns its lesson at all, will have learned it too late.

>Ignore the market... and the market will ignore you...

I agree 100%.  But... at the risk of stating the obvious, I would like to
point
out that relative stock price is meaningless.  Pulling out my S&P stock guide
and multiplying stock price by shares outstanding shows that IBM's market
equity
value is approximately $29 billion, compared to Apple's approximately $7
billion.
What is interesting, however, is a similar comparison to another company:
Microsoft is worth $25 billion.  Closing in fast, no?

Andrew Anker
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 12:03:13 MET
From: [e-mail] (Jean-Philippe NICAISE)
Subject: IIvx vs. IIvi

E=MC^2 <[e-mail]> writes:
> To whomever it may concern: what is the difference between the IIvi and
IIvx?
> I don't believe I noticed both machines specs listed in the MacWorld.

a) IIvx is a 32 Mhz 68030 with 68882 (math copros) and external memory cache
   IIvi is a 16 Mhz 68030 withou 68882 and without external memory cache

b) IIvx is sold worldwide
   IIvi is *not* sold in the USA but is sold, at least, in Europe

FYI, Mac Performas aren't sold *yet* in Europe. That is certainly why the IIvi
exists and why MacWorld doesn't say a word about the IIvi !! ;-)

== nicky.

Jean-Philippe Nicaise -- Paris, France -- [e-mail], [e-mail]
FDN (French Data Network) -- Association regie loi 1901 -- [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:02:17 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Tony Huang)
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V10 #299

>Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 21:39:35 -0500
>From: [e-mail]
>Subject: A Question regarding Monitor Resolutions
>
>I have a Macintosh IIcx with an apple 8 24GC Video Card, and a NEC
>MultiSync 3FGx monitor.
>
>Supposedly, this monitor can display images at different resolutions.
>However, it did not come with any software to do so.  Is this not possible
>with the Apple 8 24 GC video card?  Or will it only work if I buy a
>third-party video card?
>
>I am eager to find out...I could use the ability to change the monitor's
>resoulutions.
>
>Also, I've heard of something called the 8 24 GC video extension.  I do not
>have this (I inherited this computer) and I was wondering if this made any
>difference.

NEC MultiSync 3FGx is one of those auto scanning (or autosyncing) monitors
that is capable of multiple resolutions provided that the frequencies
(horizontal scanning rate and vertical refresh rate) of the output signal
>From the video board falls within certain range. What ultimately determines
the screen resolutions, however, is your video board. A number of third
party video boards are now programmable so that you can change resolution
through software (some even let you change resolution on the fly, without
reboot). Apple's 8*24 GC video board is also capable of multiple
resolutions, but you have to do it by means of a hardware switch. For somes
times now, Apple has used three pins (#4,#7,#10) on the DB-15 connector to
sense what type of monitor (Apple monitor, that is) is connected to the
vedio board. The pins are normally high (i.e. at 5V) when no monitor is
connected. By grounding one or more of these pins, you can "tell" the video
board what kind of monitor you have so it can adjust its output
accordingly. For example, by grounding pin #4, the video board assumes you
have a 640x480 display. The 8*24GC card is capable of resolution as high as
1152x870 (by grounding all three pins).

If you're not a do-it-yourself type, you can also purchase such a switch
>From Nanao for around $70 (it's too expensive if you ask me).

Tony Huang
[e-mail]

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Date: 18 Dec 1992 10:16:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Peter Jorgensen - Colgate University
<[e-mail]>
Subject: Installing AppleTalk Remote Access from 800K drive

Greetings,

We got several copies of AppleTalk Remote Access when we bought PowerBooks. We
haven't used some of the copies yet, and would like to install one on an SE.
Unfortunately, the ARA disks we have are all High Density. Is there an 800K
installation disk(s) for ARA? Any ideas on how we might install ARA on the SE
with one 800K drive (it has a hard drive and is running system 7.0* - 4MB RAM)

Thanks in advance.

Peter Jorgensen - Colgate University Research & Instructional Computing Spec.
        - Mac/DOS/VMS consultant, PMDF Postmaster, HyperTalker

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:28:35 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Stewart Walker)
Subject: LaserWriter accounting util

              LaserWriter accounting utility??
I have a LaserWriter which is for students to print to, potentially
including labs and even residence rooms. I need a way of accounting for and
restricting access so that I can charge back for pages printed. It needs to
deny access to unknown users, and have a password to prevent one student
printing using someone else's name. My other option is a cedit card type
reader. How have they worked out?

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:51:51 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Jennifer Spielberger)
Subject: Mac and PC printing

We are in the process of setting up a TCP/IP network, with both PC and Mac
clients and 2 ultrix servers.  We have been investigating print-sharing
solutions.  We are testing products that attach the printers directly to
the Ethernet, and think we'll be able to have all clients print to the
devices.  But in some cases, we only need to share a PostScript printer
between 2 machines - one Mac, and one PC. The direct Ethernet connection is
not cost-effective in this case - at least I haven't found a cost-effective
solution for direct connection.  I'm figuring on leaving the printer
attached to one or the other micro.

Does anyone have any solutions? I don't care if the printer is attached to
the Mac or the PC. If it's attached to the PC, though, I'd want the
application to run in the background.  Even some information about lpr on a
mac would be helpful.

Thanks in advance for any assistance you may offer!

Jennifer Spielberger
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:19:22 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Jennifer Spielberger)
Subject: mac and PC printing-clarifications

A few people have responded to my earlier request for a print-sharing
solution between macs and PCs.  I think I need to add a few clarifications,
and maybe provide an example of what I'm looking for.

The micros may be in different offices on the same floor. I'd like the
solution to be a network solution - I don't want to run another set of
wires between offices to share a printer. So an AB Box is not what I'm
thinking of.

What I was imagining was either a PC application that would run as a TSR
and serve print jobs off the network to the local printer.  For example,
PC/TCP from FTP software provides an lpd (line printer daemon) to run on a
PC, and other PC clients on the network can redirect their output using lpr
(redirection) also from FTP.  There are two problem with this: the daemon
must be run on a _dedicated_ PC, and I don't have any idea how macintoches
would access the device.  Is there an lpr for the mac?

I can't remember if it was Esker's TUN or Locus' PC-Interface that had a
non-dedicated lpd application.  But the product did not provide all the
services we needed so we didn't purchase it.  I'm wondering if someone else
distributes such an application.

I'm also open to any other solution that I just don't know about yet.

Thanks again, and sorry for the unclear request!

Jennifer Spielberger
[e-mail]

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Date: 18 Dec 92 18:21:49 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Mixing system 6 & 7 (again) (Q)

Sorry to repeat this question, but I did not get any replies the first time
round and it is
beginning to worry me.

Repeat...
 --------
I occasionally use system 7 on a Mac which normally runs under system 6. The
Mac
has British system 6.0.5 on the internal hard disk and Spanish system 6.0.5 on
an external hard disk. System 7 gets put on a floppy or another external
disk.

Whenever system 7 boots up, it tries to do something dramatic to any disks
that
were formatted under system 6. Up to now I have always interrupted it. Need I
bother?

I have the feeling that it is just trying to install a different version of
the
desktop with more files in it. Maybe something like the desktop on system 6
Apple Share servers. (Or maybe exactly like that?) Will system 6 run OK after
its disks have been altered in this way? Will it run more slowly? Our system 6
has lots of special INITs. Are there any known incompatibilities between
system
6 INITs and this disk alteration?
Can't upgrade to system 7 yet. Still waiting for the last few hardware and
software upgrades.
 --------
End Repeat...

Later...
It is getting harder and harder to get system 7 bootup to respond in time to
my
click on
the cancel button on the dialogue box about messing around with the hard
disks.
The cancel
button only appears in the dialogue box about 20 seconds after the dialogue
box
appears and
only reponds to my clicks another 3-5 seconds later. I think it suceeded in
messing my system
6 disk and at the same time I hit a problem with Persuasion 2.0. Now if you
double click
on Persuasion data files, they open correctly but are called "untitled". Still
panicking.

Thanks in advance

[e-mail]1
[e-mail]
<C=es;A=mensatex;P=y-net;O=sp1;S=Kenyon;G=Bob>

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Date: Fri, 18 DEC 92 10:31:41 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Music software

In I-M 299, Mark Mellis asks about music notation software.
    My wife is now on her second music program, and recommends it. It is
Finale, from Coda Systems (about $550 list price, but we got it for $250
education price). The program takes a while to learn, but the results are
excellent - it does everything she wants it to do. The previous program
was Professional Composer, from Mark of the Unicorn - it's now replaced
by an offering called Composer's Mosaic. Professional Composer was a bit
easier to use than Finale, but it had many bugs, limitations and
frustrations.
After a year of complaining to Mark of the Unicorn they offered us an
upgrade to the then-new Mosaic at an extortionately high price. When
we went to a shop in New York that had both Mosaic and Finale on sale the
salesman told us Mosaic was buggy and that he recommended Finale - the
education price deal made our decision for us. Musician friends of friends
all seem to use Finale too. So for someone who is willing to put in some
time to learn how to use the program, my wife definitely recommends
Finale.
   I am also grateful to the people who responded to my query in I-M
earlier this year with much helpful and interesting advice and
information, which resulted in helping to take the Finale plunge.
   One word of caution. A small screen and a slow Mac (eg Plus, Classic)
are not recommended for any of these programs!
Best wishes, Eric

Eric Eisenhandler, Physics Dept, Queen Mary and Westfield College,
University of London ([e-mail])

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:31:16 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Wade Williams)
Subject: Options

>With regards to Apple crippling systems, I have to disagree. Why would
>anyone consider Apple introducing *more* options a bad thing? If you
>want a balls-to-the wall machine, in the old tradition of Apple, get
>a Quadra. If you can't afford it, Apple is trying to accomodate you by
>selling cheaper machines. Sheesh, If an FPU is so utterly vital, there
>are plenty of 3rd party - cheap - options! Take a deep breath everybody!


Unfortunately, this is not the case.  Because Mac venders have been able to
charge more for their peripherals over the years, they know they can still
do so and get away with it.

For example, mice for a Mac cost $70 (Logitech ADB), whereas you can get a
DOS mouse for about $15.  Granted, the Mac circutry is more complicated,
but not $55 more complicated.

You can buy an FPU chip for about $70 for a DOS machine, but a Mac FPU card
will cost at least $120.

Modems are the most notorious scam.  A PC external 2400 baud modem will
cost $150 at the most, but the same exact modem sold for a Macintosh will
cost $250.  The only difference is the software and cable.

Wade Williams
Academic Computing Services, Auburn University
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 16:58:57 CST
From: "Mark Eaton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Options

>>With regards to Apple crippling systems, I have to disagree. Why would
>>anyone consider Apple introducing *more* options a bad thing? If you
>>want a balls-to-the wall machine, in the old tradition of Apple, get
>>a Quadra. If you can't afford it, Apple is trying to accomodate you by
>>selling cheaper machines. Sheesh, If an FPU is so utterly vital, there
>>are plenty of 3rd party - cheap - options! Take a deep breath everybody!
>
>
>Unfortunately, this is not the case.  Because Mac venders have been able to
>charge more for their peripherals over the years, they know they can still
>do so and get away with it.
>
Yeah, I agree mac peripherals are slightly more expensive, but this
isn't an example of Apple intentionaly crippling computers, it's
an example of higher costs in a smaller market


>For example, mice for a Mac cost $70 (Logitech ADB), whereas you can get a
>DOS mouse for about $15.  Granted, the Mac circutry is more complicated,
>but not $55 more complicated.
>
>You can buy an FPU chip for about $70 for a DOS machine, but a Mac FPU card
>will cost at least $120.
>
>Modems are the most notorious scam.  A PC external 2400 baud modem will
>cost $150 at the most, but the same exact modem sold for a Macintosh will
>cost $250.  The only difference is the software and cable.
>
I'm sorry, but you're simply wrong. When I purchased my system, I got
it through school with a $75 pc modem and a $5 adapter cable. The modem
itself is a no-name Hayes clone.


>Wade Williams
>Academic Computing Services, Auburn University
>[e-mail]
>
>

Mark Eaton
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:30:18 +0000
From: Elliot Bennett <[e-mail]>
Subject: Patching System 7.1 on a PB230 for Omega SANE...

Once again, the subject line says it all:  Are the instructions given for
patching System 7.1 on a IILC the same for a PB Duo 230?  Is it even
necessary?
  In fact, how can one tell if Omega SANE is even installed? (I tried opening
a copy of the System and the System Enabler and got an "The resource was not
found [-192]" error in ResEdit 2.1 !)

Interestingly enough, WingZ v. 1.1 requires an FPU and a 68020 (or greater).
I tried using the SoftwareFPU control panel to make WingZ think that there is
a FPU present, but suddenly the Mod function doesn't work any more.  I think
the real solution here is to break down and by a book on programming macros in
Excel, but I have avoided just that so far only because it could never be as
easy as Wingz's Hypertalk.  Oh well...  If anyone has any clues they would be
most appreciated...

Thanks in advance,
Elliot Bennett
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 11:04:12 EST
From: "Allan M. Bloom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: PB160 and Mirror Removable HD (A)

On Thu, 17 Dec, Jiang Wu wrote:

>I just got a HDI30 SCSI Adaptor today for my PB160.  So I tried to
>connect my PB160 to a Mirror Removable 44 HD.  But my powerbook
>always came up as a SCSI Disk instead of being a computer.

It is working as advertised, Jiang. The "Adaptor" cable (A1033 in my
Apple catalog) lets you use your PB as an external disk. To use an
external SCSI device, you need the HDI-30 SCSI System Cable (A1029).

Happy RYFMing!

Al Bloom, Virginia Tech

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 13:08:59 EST
From: Matthew B Cravit <[e-mail]>
Subject: QuickBasic Update?

I bought QuickBasic 1.00 Macintosh today from the MSU computer store ($47.00 -
not too expensive) and I was wondering if there is an update to it available -
particularly one to allow System 7 compatible programming (ie AppleEvents
etc.)
Also, does anyone have any comments about QuickBASIC as a language - it looks
OK to me, but I'd appreciate comments from someone who has worked with it for
a
while.

/Matthew
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:17:48 -0800
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Random-dot-stereoautograms [SIT! vs SITD]  (A)

So glad you're back...:-)

The current StuffIt is 3.0.3 and has been commercial for some time now. You
can get StuffIt Expander from the Info-Mac archives which will expand all
known stuffit formats and a few others besides. It's a self-unstuffing file
(double-click it).

Happy holidays,
Mike Dustan, Computing Services, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, BC Canada

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:36:18 +0000
From: Elliot Bennett <[e-mail]>
Subject: Reading HP floppies on a Mac...

Anyone got a clue if this even possible (I'm asking for a friend)?

Thanks in advance,
Elliot Bennett
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 10:00:14 EST
From: Murph Sewall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Santa's Sleigh

On Thu Dec 17 22:56:56 1992 you said:
>I downloaded your Santa's Sleigh AD module from the info-mac archives
>today.  I can not get the AD engine to recognize the module.  The icon for
>Santa's Sleigh is the Mac generic document icon.  Do I need to do something
>different to your AD module after I've downloaded it?

I've gotten a couple of these messages.  What! Read the manual?! (I don't
often do so either ;-)

Open After Dark
Click PICS Player
Click "choose" or "select" or whatever the button is (pretty obvious)
and you'll get a standard open dialog that will let you load the
Santa's Sleigh PICS file into the player.

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Date: 18 Dec 1992 11:35:59 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail] (Michael A. McGuire)
Subject: SendPS under System 7.1 (A)

I want to thank everyone that responded to my original question about
not being able to runt SendPS under System 7.1.  Everyone suggested
that I try Apple's LaserWriter Font Utility. (Amazing how many people
read this stuff.)

Good news bad news.

The good news is that Apple's LaserWriter Font Utility works under
System 7.1.

The bad news is that it does not do it from my Mac (IIfx, 7.1, 20MB,
no virtual, ethertalk, printer on a localtalk zone, using a Fastpath.)
Having said all that it does work from a IIci with all the same
attributes except it is not a fx.  Go figure.

The other partly bad news is the feedback from Apple's LaserWriter
Font Utility.  Having to create a log file and the successful complete
message is not as clean an interface (this for people who only know
how to turn the Mac on) as SendPS.

I guess we will use Apple's LaserWriter Font Utility but I wish I knew
why it will not work from my Mac. (Yes, I have tried using LocalTalk,
instead of going through the FP but I get the same result.)

Once again thanks to everyone and I hope I see you in SF at MacWorld.
I will the the biggest person there.  Easy to spot.

Michael McGuire, HO, HO, HO <:-} [e-mail]

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Date: 18 Dec 1992 00:50:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: GREG HINSON <[e-mail]>
Subject: SpeedyFinder

In a recent digest, Jack Repenning answered a question about SpeedyFinder,
informing us all that there are several versions of SpeedyFinder available
after the present 1.5.4, but that they are only available to registered
users.

While it's great that the author of SpeedyFinder (Victor Tan, I believe),
takes
the time to continue working on the program and supporting the program for
registered users, he's not doing himself a favor by not releasing the latest,
and apparently much more bug-free, version of the program. For those of us
just
stumbling onto SpeedyFinder and it's great potential, why should we pay to
register it now when the only version available that we can check out is buggy
(i.e., Labels do not work...everything freezes up when you try to copy more
than will fit onto a floppy...etc.)?

If you're reading this Victor, take the time to post the latest version. I'm
sure you'll begin seeing a new influx of shareware $$$ if you would (you'll
get
my check), assuming you've gotten the bugs out.

                    Just 1 humble opinion...

                    Greg

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Date: 18 Dec 1992 10:43:17 -0600 (CST)
From: "John A." <[e-mail]>
Subject: SpeedyFinder and Labels (C)

> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 16:03:55 -0800
> From: Jack Repenning <[e-mail]>
> Subject: SpeedyFinder and Labels (R)
>
> In Volume 10, Number 298, Jeffrey C Jodoin writes:
>
>         Label's do work ... just not when SpeedyFinder (1.5.4 and
>         previous?) is running....  Maybe SpeedyFinder will have an
>         update soon ... until then its not being used on my system.
>
> While 1.5.4 is the latest unregistered version, _registered_ users are
> several versions beyond that.  (As a med student, Victor hasn't had
> enough time to put together a new shareware copy in a while.)  A
> number of 7.1-specific conflicts have been fixed in the latest
> version, although I can't remember whether that one was mentioned.
>
> Maybe you should register your copy, Jeffrey.

Maybe SpeedyFinder should be re-filed under "demo".

Obviously the author is not intending the posted version to be shareware at
all. The idea of shareware is to try the software and see if you like it and
use it. If you want to use it, then PLEASE pay the shareware fee so that the
authors will continue to produce their products. Jeffrey tried the product,
didn't like it, so why should he register?

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Date: 18 Dec 1992 14:58:46 -0700 (MST)
From: [e-mail] (Tom Wentzel)
Subject: Stylewriter II information

A couple days ago I posed a question in Info-Mac Digest (V10
#298) asking for information on the rumored Stylewriter II.
There's been continued discussion here about Stylewriter Vs.
Deskwriter, and to that I'll add some Stylewriter II information
which was E-mailed to me after my Info-Mac Digest posting.  The
person who sent it to me requests anonymity since the information
was given to him "under non-disclosure."  His E-mail follows.
---Tom Wentzel
[e-mail]

* * * * * * * *

I was briefed recently in an Apple non-disclosure about all the new
printing products due to be released at MacWorld next month.
Concerning the StyleWriter's transistion to the Stylewriter II: if
I were you, I'd probably wait thirty days and get the new printer.
Here's what the new stylewriter has to offer.

More speed.  The old printer was rated at 1 ppm and really was 1/2
ppm when doing graphics.  This printer is supposed to be 2 ppm,
equalling the Deskwriter and actually beating it in some tests.

Better paper handling: The older printer was supposedly not the
easiest thing to load compared to the bottom tray that the
Deskwriter has.  The new printer will hold up to fifty sheets.
Unlike the old Stylewriter, the new one will allow more than one
envelope to be loaded (I guess up to fifty).

New funky shape: Replaces the old funky shape.  Its a little more
practical than the old brick, but it still looks like a
Stylewriter.  To its credit, it does take up less desk space than
a Deskwriter.

Grayshare(tm) software: This allows your stylewriter to be
networked through someone's Mac.  You run this software on other
people's machine's and they can access the Stylewriter on your desk
as if it was on Localtalk.  Nice for small groups.

And best of all, it all comes for the same suggested retail price
of the old Stylewriter, so it should be affordable.  University
pricing shouldn't change eit producther.

Hopefully, since Apple sells so many Stylewriters the availability
of them will be better than normal Macs.  And besides. they'll have
their hands full anyway with demand for the new 600 dpi
Laserwriter.

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:20:40 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Benjamin J. Turner)
Subject: Sys 6 & 7 LaserWriter conflicts

    While the system 6 and 7 drivers *do* combat each other for
dominance of the printer, you *can* install either system's
LaserWriter drivers on all System 6 & 7 machines. Pick whichever one
you want (I like System 7's because it's got a few newer options) and
install it on all the machines. Your driver conflicts requiring
reinitialization of the printer should go away. Alternatively, I
believe that ther are some nifty printer driver tools at Sumex that
allow coexistence with Sys 6 while providing System 7 performance.
Check it out.
        Benjamin John Turner, <[e-mail]>

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 09:56:18 -0800
From: [e-mail]
Subject: System 7.1 and incompatibilities

I am one of the people who complained about all the good applications that
ran under System 6 but not under System 7.  Now, judging from comments on
the net, the minor(?) change from System 7.0.1 to 7.1 seem to be causing
nearly as many incompatibilities as did the major change from 6 to 7.

I realize that as more new features are introduced, there comes a time when
the indefinite preservation of downward comparibility becomes impractical.
But I would have thought that System 7 should have been able to support any
application that worked under System 6.0.4 plus Multifinder - but we all
know that it does not.  And I am both amazed and appalled that System 7.1
seems to be creating as many problems as it solves.

Is there a programmer who can explain to us non-experts what are so
different about those systems that cause so many incompatibilities?

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 13:11:29 EST
From: Matthew B Cravit <[e-mail]>
Subject: Visual BASIC

I just finished a programming course that uses Microsoft VisualBASIC for DOS
and Windows.  I was very impressed by the implementation of VB-DOS -- the
first
product I've seen that Microsoft has done really well and without any obvious
bugs! :-)  What I was wondering is, does anyone know if Microsoft has any
plans
to release Visual BASIC for the Mac, or does anyone have an email address for
Microsoft so I can ask them directly?

Thanks.

/Matthew
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 16:32:01 GMT
From: "Dr A.J. Sowerby" <[e-mail]>

Subject: File exchange between Atari ST computers and the Mac.

Is it known whether there is an equilivant software tool to allow file
exchange
between an Atari ST computer and a Mac LCII, using a method similar to the
Apple
File Exchange Software?

Replies please to [e-mail]

Thanks.

Andy Sowerby

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