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- From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
- Subject: Re: RISC defined! Was Re: 486SLC chip.... what is it?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec16.002017.3605@mksol.dseg.ti.com>
- Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
- References: <8f8d5m200WAL42H2tB@andrew.cmu.edu> <1992Dec9.230819.7876@mksol.dseg.ti.com> <1992Dec11.155653.8469@ptdcs2.intel.com>
- Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:20:17 GMT
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- In <1992Dec11.155653.8469@ptdcs2.intel.com> greason@ptdcs2.intel.com (Jeff Greason ~) writes:
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- >In article <1992Dec9.230819.7876@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
- >>>They're RISC 386's with a math co. and a cache.
- >>
- >>Huh? Nonsensical statement, oh guru. The phrase 'RISC 386' is a
- >>contradiction in terms. If the chip accepts the 386 instruction set
- >>(and it does) it is BY DEFINITION not RISC.
-
- >I realize this was not your point, but...
-
- >Aha! Somebody finally admitted it. I've long suspected that the RISC advocate
- >definition of RISC is primarily negative. Originally, RISC chips had simple
- >instruction sets, where "simple" was supposed to make it possible to use
- >advanced implementation techniques such as pipelining and caching because
- >of the reduced transistor budget. When CISC chips used these, they claimed
- >that reduced implementation time was the advantage. Now, it comes down to
- >just what you stated:
- > "RISC (adj.): 1) A chip which does not accept the X86 instruction set.
- > 2) A chip which is not manufactured by Intel."
-
- Well, no. What it comes down to is i386 instruction set is a CISC
- instruction set. Hence, implementing that instruction set is not
- RISC. Note that if you implement the Motorola 68k or the DEC VAX
- instruction set, you are also not RISC.
-
- >The first definition used most broadly -- the second definition invoked (if
- >not explicitly) whenever somebody brings up the i860 or i960 architectures.
-
- >It is my belief that the real issue isn't RISC v. CISC (by the definition of
- >your choice) -- the real issue is support of older CODE on new
- >IMPLEMENTATIONS.
-
- The issue with RISC is SPEED. The issue with most folks buying
- computers who don't need that kind of speed is COST -- and that
- includes throwing away all that software. So yes, you could say that
- the issue becomes backward compatibility.
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- --
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- in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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