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- From: njconway@ccvax.ucd.ie
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
- Subject: Re: When will HP supply PATCHES before they are Required?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec10.152912.50014@ccvax.ucd.ie>
- Date: 10 Dec 92 15:29:11 GMT
- References: <721721627snx@johnwuu.canb.auug.org.au> <17780278@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM>
- Organization: University College Dublin
- Lines: 61
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- In article <17780278@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM>, perry@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Perry Scott) writes:
- >> Maybe someone from HP can give the official reason why PATCHES
- >> cannot be sent to customers, *Before* the customer encounters a
- >> problem for which there is a known patch.
- >
- > There is movement underway at HP to address this issue.
- >
- > The reason why you can't install everything in the patch catalog is
- > because patches are only tested against what they are supposed to fix,
- > and not tested against all other patch permutations and on all
- > configurations.
- >
- > The biggest problem is economic. There are no less than 20 different
- > lab groups involved in a general release of HP-UX, each with their own
- > piece of the puzzle (ever look at /etc/filesets?). What customers get
- > ...
- > Perry Scott
- > HP Ft Collins
-
- It's great that it's going to change :) Seriously though, on an economic
- point, what about litigation ?
-
- For example, a person buys a WStn in good faith, uses it for some months, then
- has a disk crash. They go to their backup tapes only to discover that some
- critical (obviously :) files have been corrupted by the backup program and are
- unrecoverable.
-
- This person then discovers that a patch has been available for months to
- correct a known problem with the backup program in question...
-
- They have a software support contract with their vendor.
-
- What more could they have done ? Don't they have a legitimate right to expect
- to have been notified about the problem, and offered the patch ? (We are
- talking about critical problems here... I consider corrupt backups pretty
- serious.)
-
- If I were that person I would feel inclined to sue the vendor...
-
- Even if our person had NO contract, wouldn't he be entitled to a patch for the
- broken backup system that he purchased ?
-
-
- A situation like this exists with HP - we discovered a patch to fbackup (among
- other ones to ftio etc.) which caused problems with backups under some
- circumstances. Luckily, we didn't have to go to our old backup tapes at any
- stage, so we didn't get bitten. However, the problem *had* been occurring on
- our backups. (I forget the precise symptoms).
-
- Not having read the fine print of contracts, I can't say if a law-suit would be
- possible or not, but I defend my right to be pretty disgusted not to have been
- told about a known problem of that nature.
-
- apologies for the length
-
-
- Neil Conway
-
- neil@nebula.ucd.ie
- njconway@ccvax.ucd.ie
-
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